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MR. SPEAKER: Now, Shri P.H. Pandian.

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MR. SPEAKER: Madam, please sit down.

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MR. SPEAKER: This is not going on record.


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MR. SPEAKER: I have not called your name. Please sit down.

Now, Shri P.H. Pandian.


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SHRI P.H. PANDIYAN (TIRUNELVELI): Hon. Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the All India Anna DMK Parliamentary Party and on my own behalf we offer the warmest felicitations to you and welcome your unanimous choice as the Speaker of the 13th Lok Sabha.

I just now saw that the Leader of the Opposition and the Prime Minister conducted you to the Chair to occupy the Speaker's seat. I want to trace back to the history of the Speakership to the 17th Century; how it happened and why you have been conducted to the Chair. During King Charles regime, the Speakers suffered at his hands; nobody came forward to accept the seat. That is why, the Speaker, after his election, is being conducted to the Chair by the Leader of the Opposition and the Prime Minister.

Now, Sir, for the second time you have been conducted to the Chair. During the regime of King Charles, the Speaker, Lenthall, in the House of Commons maintained the highest traditions and independence of the Office of the Speaker. Well, King Charles I entered the Parliament and asked the Speaker, Lenthall, to produce the five MPs before him, to deal with them. The Speaker, Lenthall, said: `I have neither eyes to see nor ears to hear'. That is why, the Office of Speaker is now in an elevated position in the warrant of precedents. During the British regime, in the House of Commons, everybody wanted to become a Minister, not a Speaker, only to escape the gallows. Two Speakers were executed for non furnishing of information to the King. When I visited the House of Commons, I saw the photographs of the two Speakers who were executed. So, the history dates back to the 17th Century. Now, we are moving towards the 21st Century.

Now, Hon. Speaker, Sir, you have occupied this highest seat in our Constitution. Sir, you have a parliamentary control over the Executive. ... (Interruptions)

SHRI S. BANGARAPPA (SHIMOGA): One King was also executed by the House of Commons. ... (Interruptions)

SHRI P.H. PANDIYAN : Yes, it was King Charles.

Hon. Speaker, Sir, you are going to exercise your constitutional power to control the Executive, that is the Parliamentary Executive.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, now you have a crucial role to play in the present context of the chemistry of mixture of political alignment and coalition after the recent elections. The BJP, which is the single largest party with the chemistry of mixture, is leading the Government. So, I would like to say that the Parliament shall control, through the Speaker, the Government in whatever decision they take. It may be a collective decision but it is a curious mixture of different political ideologies, different political parties and regional parties which have taken part in the Ministry.

Sir, I would like to add one thing more at the present juncture that as a Speaker you have a constitutional authority to decide the constitutionality of any Bill being placed in Parliament. If you say that it is unconstitutional, it cannot be placed before the House for deliberation, for debate. Then, to adjudicate the constitutional questions under the Anti-Defection Law, is the power conferred onerously on the Speaker by the Tenth Schedule of the Constitution and more so, under that Schedule, Sir, you have a judicial power to perform independently. Apart from that, police martial powers are conferred on you under the Rules of Procedure. So, as a Member of a regional party, you have been elevated to the position of Speaker. I would appeal to you, Sir, that, like the Scandinavian countries, the Speaker may have a parliamentary control over the Government. Minority Government was in vogue for the last 17 years--I had been in Denmark--till 1986. The Speaker has to approve the name of the Prime Minister. Once the Speaker says `no', the Prime Minister's name cannot be moved in the House constitutionally.

So, in the present context, Sir, as a Speaker you have to perform constitutional duties, exercise constitutional powers. For that, I would like to quote what Pandit Nehru had said when Mavalankar was elected as the Speaker: He said: "The Speaker represents the House; the House represents the nation; and as such a person of impartiality and independence is elected to the Office of the Speaker". I hope, Hon. Speaker, Sir, you will maintain that tradition--independent of thinking, independent of action, independent of conduct in this House.

We, on behalf of the AIADMK Party assure you, Sir, our fullest cooperation to you and we offer our felicitations to you, Sir.

MR. SPEAKER: Now, the Father of the House, Shri Indrajit Gupta.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (MIDNAPORE): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I cannot express the intense pleasure which I am feeling today at the unanimous election of your goodself to this high Office. Since you were here last time for a short period, I had the opportunity and the occasion to come to know you rather intimately and we had discussed together a number of important issues affecting the parliamentary conduct and I must say that my respect for you as a person of great independence of judgment, impartiality and fairness had gone up considerably during that period.

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Therefore, your elevation to this Chair is a matter of great satisfaction to us.

Sir, here many hon. Members and leaders have spoken about the great responsibilities which devolve upon you, more so, because you have been elected by the entire House. It means the entire House has got confidence and faith in your capacity to run this House. Similarly, I would say that a great responsibility has come upon the Members of this House who have decided in their wisdom to elect you unanimously and you have been elected; and, then it is up to the Parties and Members in this House to do everything possible to respect your directions, to respect your observations and to see to it that the House is conducted in a manner befitting the traditions of this Parliament.

Sir, in the recent past, I think you will admit that one of the main casualties has been that of the decorum and dignity of this House. I am not blaming anybody for that but it is a fact. There have been adverse comments about it widely in various quarters in the Press and abroad also. Adverse comments have been made about the alleged lack of dignity and decorum in this House. Sir, under your stewardship now, I sincerely hope that that chapter will be closed and everybody will conduct themselves here. Of course, I agree with Shri Mulayam Singh Yadav and others that the responsibility for this lies equally with the Opposition as with the Government. No parliamentary democracy can flourish unless there is an effective and vigilant Opposition. Parliamentary democracy has no meaning without an Opposition. Therefore, while the Opposition must observe certain norms and rules in its functioning, the Government, however big a majority they may have, must also respect the views of the Opposition as it is their duty and to do everything possible to take the Opposition into confidence and to consult them as widely as possible before deciding on their policy matters. I hope, the present Prime Minister Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee, in whom I also have confidence, will certainly see to it that the widest possible consensus is obtained before taking decisions. Very difficult decisions have got to be taken. I have no doubt about it.

So, as far as our group is concerned, it is greatly reduced in numbers this time. I regret to say that. But that is the verdict of the electorate and we have to abide by it. I assure you that as far as our Members are concerned, we will cooperate with you in every possible way and nobody will be able to accuse us of having done anything to damage the decorum or dignity of this Parliament.

I also join others in expressing my hope that you will give more opportunity to speak to some of the new Members and those who are referred to as backbenchers. They always have a complaint; they always have a grievance that they are not given sufficient opportunities. You may kindly try to help them in this matter.

Secondly, Sir, I am also rather sorry that nobody in this House seems to have a single word of praise for the pro tem Speaker for having discharged his duty as efficiently as he possibly could. Anyway I take it that generally the House has approved of the way things have been conducted.

I thank you also for all the cooperation that we have received from every quarter and I assure you that in future you will have no cause for complaint.

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SHRI SANAT KUMAR MONDAL (JOYNAGAR): Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf of my party, RSP, I warmly congratulate you on your election as the Speaker.

Sir, you know the composition of the thirteenth Lok Sabha. There are a number of smaller parties. I firmly believe that you will give them more time to air their issues on various burning problems. I hope that you will safeguard the rights of the Members and the dignity of the House.

I once again assure you my party's fullest cooperation in conducting the proceedings of the House in an orderly and impartial manner and I wish you a very very successful tenure. Thank you, Sir.

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