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SHRI VAIKO (SIVAKASI): Sir, we are totally opposed to the view that the Pope should clarify this.

SHRI MANISHANKAR AIYAR : We congratulate Shri Vaiko. ...(Interruptions) It is shocking ...(Interruptions)

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SHRI VAIKO : Sir, I would like to place on record my point of view on this issue.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Yerrannaidu.

... (Interruptions)

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except Shri Yerrannaidu.


SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU (SRIKAKULAM): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, it is a sensitive and emotional issue. Hon. Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh Shri Chandrababu Naidu wrote a letter to Shri Vajpayee to maintain communal harmony in this country. It is the duty of the House to maintain communal harmony. We are entering into a new millennium.


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So, the Government should take all precautionary steps not to disturb the communal harmony in this country. Our Constitution respects and loves all the religions in this country.

I once again request that the Government should tell us as to what steps it is taking for the peaceful visit of John Pope Paul in this country and for maintaining communal harmony in the country.

SHRI MANISHANKAR AIYAR : Should the Government repudiate what has been said by Shri Vinay Katiyar from the back benches? Can Shri Advani set aside the fact of having a man like Katiyar? ... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Ramesh Chennithala, please take your seat. We have to hear the hon. Home Minister now.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHALA (MAVELIKARA): Sir, I will take only one minute... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, let us hear the hon. Minister.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHALA : Sir, I will take only one minute. I have also given a notice under Rule 193... (Interruptions)... Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, this is a historic occasion, and it is very unfortunate to note... (Interruptions)

SHRI VAIKO : Sir, they have made their points. We want to hear the hon. Home Minister now... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have already called the hon. Home Minister.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHALA : Sir, I will take only one minute. Please allow me to make my point.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: All right. But within one minute you have to conclude.


Sir, the visit of Pope John Paul-II is a historic occasion. But it is very unfortunate to note what the hon. Member Shri Vinay Katiyar has stated. I think, if this is the attitude of the BJP and the Government, it is very unfortunate... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What do you want from the Government?

SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHALA : Sir, the Government should come forward with a statement. Earlier also, John Paul-II had visited this country. He is the religious leader of the Christian community of the world. He is a saint head of a State. India had given a warm welcome to John Paul-II. But it is unfortunate to note that the BJP and the Sangh Parivar have created a vicious atmosphere in the country.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Chennithala, what do you want the Government to do?

SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHALA : Sir, I request the hon. Minister to give a statement so that we have a peaceful visit of John Paul in this country... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Ramdas Athawale, please take your seat. Now, let the hon. Home Minister reply. Please understand, we have a number of items to go through. So many Bills are to be taken up. Kindly cooperate. Tomorrow also, you will get the opportunity

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI L.K. ADVANI) : Sir, it has been very rightly pointed out by several Members of the House that His Holiness Paul John is not only the revered Head... (Interruptions)

SHRI MANISHANKAR AIYAR : If the Home Minister cannot take his name properly... (Interruptions)

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I stand corrected, Shri Manishankar Aiyar -- His Holiness John Paul-II. He is not only the revered head of a great religious community but he is also Head of the State, Vatican which is duly recognised by the Government of India. And, it is on the invitation of the Government that he is coming to India next month. Therefore, any references particularly in the House that are not respectful, I will plead with you, those should be removed from the proceedings... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSHI: No... (Interruptions)...

SHRI L.K. ADVANI Please let me complete... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSHI : They have burnt the effigy of Pope John Paul-II... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please hear him.

SHRI MANISHANKAR AIYAR : They have burnt the effigy of Pope John Paul... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He is on his legs. Let him finish first.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: Sir, I do not propose... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. Members, please resume your seats.

SHRI N.N. KRISHNADAS (PALGHAT): The Home Minister should condemn the burning of his effigy.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Krishnadas, do not interrupt now. Let him complete.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.

(Interruptions) *

SHRI L. K. ADVANI: In the course of today's discussion, several observations were made this side and that side which had nothing to do with the issue we are discussing and, therefore, I do not propose to comment on them at all. ... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRIYARANJAN DASMUNSHI : I seek your protection. In front of the Home Minister's Office, the effigy of Pope Paul was burnt by the VHP activists. It came in The Hindustan Times. Will the Home Minister take congnizance of it, condemn it and arrest them? You say "I am not going to comment on that". You say you do not take cognizance of the observation.

SHRI L. K. ADVANI: I have not yet completed.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Basu Deb Acharia, during the `Zero Hour', when a matter is referred, the Government reacts after discussion.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI MANISHANKAR AIYAR : If it is a comment on the observations made by Shri Vinay Katiyar, does he or does he not repudiate? If he does repudiate, why ----------------------------------------------------------------

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SHRI MANISHANKAR AIYAR : We cannot forget that Shri L. K. Advani and Shri Vinay Katiyar conspired to destroy Babri Masjid. I do not know if there is a link between Shri L. K. Advani and Shri Vinay Katiyar. That is why, I want the Home Minister to repudiate what Shri Vinay Katiyar has said. I seek the expulsion of Shri Vinay Katiyar from this House if he has expressed the kind of sentiments.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except the Home Minister's statement.

(Interruptions) *

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Mahameghabhan Aira Kharabela Swain, I am on my legs. ... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. Members, I am on my legs.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You are a senior Member. You should at least know that during the `Zero Hour' when there is any matter referred here, the Government reacts. It is not a detailed discussion or reply. Hon. Members should not get up every now and then and ask for detailed explanation on the reply.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please hear me first and then if you have any clarification, you can ask.

SHRI L. K. ADVANI: Pope John Paul II is the revered guest of this country and the Government of India condemns any burning of the effigy. It disapproves of any protest action against the arrival of Pope John Paul. ...(Interruptions)


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Sir, I am very categorical. I have stated it earlier also. ... SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSHI : The effigy was burnt in front of the Office of the Home Minister. Why did you not take cognizance of it? Why did you fail to arrest them? ... (Interruptions)

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: If there is any burning of any effigy, I do not know about it. ... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSHI : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the Home Minister says that he does not know about it. He says, he does not know that effigies have been burnt. I wonder how he does not know it! ... (Interruptions)

SHRI MANISHANKAR AIYAR : They did not know that the Pakistanis were in Kargil and that the VHP was in his Office. What a completely incompetent Government! ... (Interruptions)

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I am very categorical. ... (Interruptions) The Government's stand is categorical. ... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Did you hear him? He has very categorically stated the Government's stand.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He has made a categorical statement. Why are you interrupting?

... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSHI : We are not interrupting. I am only making a submission.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Why are you interrupting? You are not in a position to listen to what the hon. Minister of Home Affairs has said.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSHI : He does not know that it has happened. If that is the position of the Home Minister, we are helpless. The effigy was burnt in the lawns of his Office. It has appeared in the Hindustan Times. He does not take cognizance of it. This is the Home Minister's reply. ... (Interruptions)

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, there is a point of order from Shri Mulayam Singh Yadav.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Mulayam Singh Yadav, you are on a point of order under what rule?

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You have to quote the rule.

During Zero Hour, there is no point of order.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There is no point of order in Zero Hour.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI MANISHANKAR AIYAR : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I want to make only two points. First, I want the Home Minister to repudiate what has been said by Shri Vinay Katiyar. ... (Interruptions) The second point that I want to make is, is it not true that Shri Advani and Shri Katiyar had conspired to destroy the Babri Masjid? ... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRAKASH VISHWANATH PARANJPE (THANE): Is he Manishankar Aiyar or Manishankar Augustine? ... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, let us take up matters under rule 377.