<b>XIII LOK SABHA DEBATES, <i> Session I </i> </b>
XIII LOK SABHA DEBATES, Session I Tuesday, October 26, 1999/Kartika 4, 1921 (Saka)


Type of Debate: SHORT DURATION DISCUSSION(RULE-193)

TEXT :
14.02 hrs.

MR. SPEAKER So, now we will take up the item no. 12, that is, discussion under Rule 193. Shri Shankersinh Laxmansinh Vaghela.

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... (ɴvx)

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xxҪ |vxɨj V E 10 Vֱ<, 1996 E ɹh =ri EM*

This is regarding the question of propriety of pre-Budget-hike in administered prices of petroleum products.

+v i E BE Vxʱɺ] E x +{E {ɺ +ɪ l * {ɺ +V i E {jEɮ ʨj E x +ɪ l * +{x E :

"Mr. Speaker, Sir, with your permission, I would like to raise an important matter which is related to the dignity of the House and glory of democracy. The Eleventh Lok Sabha has been constituted recently."

Sir, now the 13th Lok Sabha has been constituted recently. Again I quote:

"Mr. Speaker, Sir, the 11th Lok Sabha has recently been constituted. It is the first day of the first session."

Today is the first day of the real business, Sir.

ɴ E <ɨ VF *

"The trains cannot run today."

+M xxҪ |vxɨj V x E :

"It was around midnight when I received a phone call from a journalist that the prices of petrol have been hiked. The prices of LPG are being increased by 30 per cent, that of naphtha by 20 per cent..."

All details are given here.

V +{x E l =ɨ <xx ɤ B.{W E WF E l*

"In all, a burden of nine thousand and seven hundred crore rupees has been imposed on the people of the country merely through a Government order." If the Government had waited till 10th If the Govt. had waited till today, if it had put up the proposal today, heavens would not have fallen. We were hoping that since this is the new Government, it would function in a different manner."

But this Government is not so new. This is a second-time Government, an experienced Government. You further said, and I quote:

"But only the faces have changed, the nature of the ruling party has not changed. Sir, People have changed but the style of functioning remains the same heree also. Who had advised them to impose such a burden even when the session had been summoned? To impose such a heavy burden, is a different issue altogether. I am raising a question of propriety and I fail to comprehend how the M.Ps such as Shri Indrajit Gupta, Somnath Chatterjee, Ramoowaliaji..."

All the details are given here. Again, he said, and I quote:

"However, today the ruling party has changed. Those who were sitting on the opposition benches have moved on to treasury benches."

Those who were sitting on the Opposition Benches at that time are now sitting on the Treasury Benches. Now they have every right to do so. ...(Interruptions). This is the reality.

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Eʺƽ P: 11 Vֱ<, 1996.

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... (ɴvx)

SHRI JAGMEET SINGH BRAR (FARIDKOT) : Sir, this is a matter of such great national importance and the hon. Prime Minister is going out. ...(Interruptions)

SHRI RAJESH PILOT (DAUSA) : Sir, when we could listen to the debate on the Motion of Thanks to the President for his Address, the hon. Prime Minister should be present and listen to this. It is a question of the common man who is hurt and he is the right person to be here. ...(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : The concerned Minister, Shri Ram Naik is here.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI RAJESH PILOT : Sir, I am not holding on that. My feeling is that the hon. Prime Minister should have been here. ...(Interruptions)

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI YASHWANT SINHA): The Prime Minister can listen to the speeches made in this House while sitting in his room also.

SHRI RAJESH PILOT : That is right. But we cannot see his reaction. ...(Interruptions)

SHRI YASHWANT SINHA : If you want him to see your face, that can also be seen by him on the television. ...(Interruptions)

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... (ɴvx)

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... (ɴvx)

THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS (SHRI RAM NAIK):

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... (ɴvx)

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... (ɴvx)

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... (ɴvx)

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... (ɴvx)

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... (ɴvx)

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