VJ E< BE xɽ Vɺ ɮ Ux,

nn Sɮ {ɮ E =`?"

+{x iVE EֱʮV E i ֯ Ei Vɺ E { 6 VF E Mɪ * =ɨ < i E <Vɽɮ E Mɪ E ɮ EֱʮV Eɱ Ex * Z ɽi iEҡ Ex {ci E EֱʮV E Ex bʡxҶx ? E EֱʮV E VF E Vi ? Vɺ +n E, Vɺ EֱʮV E Vɽ ɪn i , ɽ = EֱʮV E VF Ex Mi * Eix B S V Z ɽ xVɮ +i ? ɶɴxi ʺx ɽ =` E Sɱ MB* BE Vɨx <vɮ `i l* ɤɮ ʺVn bʱɶ <, x = ɨɪ =xE iEҮ x* Z M l E ɮ n E +ɴV ɶɴxi ʺx ɽ +{x V֤x +n E * =xE V֤x Eix iEҡ + nn l? ɽ +V =x M E l ` Vxx ɤɮ ʺVn E ic* <E ɴVn EֱʮV E VF E V *

1739 V (

Mr. Speaker in the Chair)

VV xxbV ɽ ɽ Vn xɽ * ɽ EֱʮV E ɮ c-c ɹh ni l* ɽ <xʮ]V E ɮ c-c ɹh ni l*

+V ʺɡ Sn Vڽi E ʤx {ɮ =vɮ ` ֪ * ɽ Ex EֱʮV E Vɺ {ɮ Vɤ Vɰi {ci i =E WF Ex ֯ E n Vi + Vɤ Vɰi {ci i EֱʮV E Jɱɡ BE ɨ xɽ Mi, =E Jɱɡi Ex M Vi * V M EֱʮV E i E , =xx < Vɨڮ ֱE E +n +Eʱɪi E n nJɪ, ɤɮ ʺVn E bʱɶ E + +V < i E Ei E ɽ {ɮ n xɪM VɤE |Ҩ E] E +n ɽ E {bM * M V 50 ɱ ɨ V E i Ei *

Si l E +Mɮ |Vb] +c {fM i =ɨ Exx < i E VF M E 50 ɱ Vɺ ɨ V E E{x E , =E iɮ BE En M Vɰ +M gɪM* +n E l Ex Sɽi + Z n E Mɴx ɨ x BE v E ]ɡ< Ex E ʱɪ +{x {ix i E iM n l* < 100 Ec E +ɤn ɱ ֱE 17 Ec ֺɱɨx V ɮEɮ S {ɮ `x ɱ xi+ E S +Mɮ ].. E {n {ɮ nJ i E{x Mi , bx Mi , JWn Vi * + i +Jɤɮi {g l + < ɮEɮ S {ɮ `x ɱ xi, V ֨< E +n i , =xx E E +Mɮ Eh +ɪM E ʮ{] {ɮ E< ɱ E Mɪ i ɮ ֨< +M M VɪM* ɮEɮ S {ɮ `x ɱ +n E l {Ux Sɽi E E =x M x E ɽ {Ux E Eɨ E E ɽ ]]] ɽ Mɱi * Sʱɪ, x i E ɽ Mɱi , +Jɤɮ U{ ֪ ɪxi Mɱi Ei * ɽ ʨxɺ] ` ֪ , E =xx < ɮ {U* Z n E {U iǤ Vɤ < n |ɤɨ FB] Ex E Eʶɶ E M< l i < ֱE E 100 Ec +ɤn E Jn ʨxɺ] SɱE ֨< Mɪ l + i EE +ɪ l* =x {Ux Sɽi E....

x ɴɱ : +vI ɽn, ɽ E BE ֺɱɨx E l xɽ Mɪ Mɪ*

BE xxҪ n: +{E Eڨi Mɱi Eɨ xɽ E Ei* <x]V E |]Ex Eƺ]]ڶx E Mɪ * E< Eڨi =x x ɮ Ei + x Vɱ Ei *

ʶn + : E< E]ɺ FB] xɽ Ex Sɽi* ɽi +n E l Ex Sɽi E....

|. ɺ ʺƽ ɴi (+Vɨ): +vI ɽn, ɨV E BE M ʴɶ E xɨ E + .V.{. il ʶɴɺx E Jɱɡ V E Mɪ , ɽ ƺnҪ ɪn E Jɱɡ , ʴ{ɮi *

+vI ɽn : +{ ` Vɪ*

ʶn + : Vxi E +{ +Eʮi + +Eʱɪi *

|. ɺ ʺƽ ɴi : ɽ +Eʮi E ɴɱ xɽ * n +x M i *

ʶn +ɴ : S EM Mɮ ʡ ɮ V>M, Z` M + Vɴɤ E nM* < i E Vxi *

x ɴɱ : +vI ɽn, +x{ʱǪɨ] bǺ *

ʶn + : +V Ex Sɽi E E E ɽ {U Mɪ E +Mɮ Eh +ɪM ʮ{] {ɮ E< En =`ɪ Vi , =E >{ɮ +{E E En M E ֨< E +n +M M n VɪM {ڮ ֱE E +n +M M n VɪM? E ɽ ʽxnֺix E Exx ɱiɮ ?

ɮ, <E n EɮMɱ {ɮ +{x i Ex Sɽi * i ʮ{] xɽ Ex Sɽi Vx ɽ {ɽ E n Mɪ Ex V EU ɽ E Mɪ , =E i<n Ei * <E l ɽ Vɰ Ex Sɽi E EɮMɱ E +n + x +{x Vɴx ] E < n E ɮn {ɮ E֮x E n*

Eix B Vxx ɽ ɪx n l, Vɤ =xɺ {U Mɪ l E =xE BE ] ɽn Mɪ, = {ɮ E ʮBEx i =x g + x, VxE Vɴx ] ɽn B l, =xx E l E +Mɮ nںɮ ] i i =E ɮn {ɮ ɽn E ni, Ex x +{x +{ x ɮiҪ Vxi {] E BE {E{ɮx x <Ex E nx E E EɮMɱ E q ɪn M*

... (ɴvx)

+E |vx (JV) : ɮiҪ Vxi {] E E {E{ɮx x B xɽ E *

... (ɴvx)

Vɮ Vxɮ ( xɴii )ִx Sxp Jhbb, (Mgɱ) : E x B xɽ E *

... (ɴvx)

|Eɶ h j{` (nʮ) : +{ M ɮ-ɮ E E M EɮMɱ E ɪn =`x Sɽi * ɮ iɮ E x EɮMɱ E ɮ xɽ E * +{ M x < ɨɱ E =`ɪ + ɮ >{ɮ <Wɨ M *

... (ɴvx)

ɨnɺ +`ɱ ({f{֮) : +{ M ɽ i xɽ E *

... (ɴvx)

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Ramdas Athawale, I have been observing that you are disturbing the House frequently. You are a Member of this House for the second term now. Please behave properly.

ʶn + : {E ɽ, ɮn Vɤ Vɴx ] E ɶ Mƴ Vi + {ڮ Mƴ =E Ev nx E Eɨ Ei + =E E +J +ƺ xEi , +Mɮ = x S ʱɪ E =E ] E ɶ {ɮ Vxi i < n E E< +{x ] E x xɽ VM*

+vI ɽn : + ɨ{i E*

ʶn + : + ɽi ɨɪ * + i x ְ E * Vix ɨɪ +{x nںɮ E n =ix ɨɪ n + .B.{. E iɮ i ʺɡ M, E< nںɮ n xɽ M*

{E ɽ, < |Wbh] Bc EɮMɱ E q {ɮ V ɪn =`x E nɮ Eʶɶ E V , =ɺ < n E Vxi E ʨɺɱb Ex E Eɨ M E *

|.ɺ ʺƽ ɴi : ɹ]{i V E +ʦɦɹh EɮMɱ ɮ x E ʴVɪ E =J E Mɪ + E E ɪn =` * ... (ɴvx)

ʶn + : iҺɮ i, Vbʶɪɱ ʮǺ E ɮ Ex Sɽi * < n E Vbʶɪɮ {ɮ M E ɮ E i V * ɽ x n E ʱB +SU + x n E bF E ʱB +SU * SɽM ɮEɮ M E i E x + ʺɡ ɽ x ɨZ E BE +{WҶx E n Jc E * n E +ɴW Ex Sɽi E Vɤ iE < n E Vbʶɪɱ ʺɺ] `E xɽ M, MɮҤ +n E <ƺɡ xɽ ʨɱ Ei * |Ҩ E] Eɱi Ei * 1993 |Ҩ E] BE E +ɪ V 1863 b]E] E] < E Mɪ l* 18 BEc Wɨx E ZMc l V 1863 < + + 1993 |Ҩ E] +ɪ* 1993 |Ҩ E] E VVW x i xE ɱ E E < < E] E nɮ xx SʽB + xx E n < nɮ |Ҩ E] Vx SʽB* ɽ {ɮ +h V] xɽ `, ɨ V`ɱx xɽ `* ɽ SS< E Vxi + xSɱ iɽ {ɮ Vbʶɪɮ E EU , ɽ < nx xɽ Ex Sɽi, ɽ Ex xɨxʺɤ , Ex < nx E +n < i E Vxi * ɪ E ɮEɮ E ɽi W i {ɮ < ʮ {ɮ ɽ bE Ex SʽB* Vɺ iɮ < E] E VVW xi , +Mɮ E< {ʱ]E E < E] |Ҩ E] VVW E ɨx Vi , =E ɱ nJE ɽ iɪ V Ei E ɽ VV EO E ʮWҨ x l nںɮ ʮWҨ x l

<ɺ Vn EU Ex xɽ Sɽi* V ʺɺ] < E] VVV E x , ɽ ɮ E ɮ {ʱ]E ʺɺ] , {ʱ]E M E xɪ Vi *

We are all human beings.

ɤ EVʮ E +n , Sɽ {ʱǪɨ] E 訤ɮ + Sɽ < E] + |Ҩ E] E VVV * V xɪM =E ʱB Exx =x M E ] ExǮ M* < ɮ ɽi V ɪ E Vbʶɪɱ ʺɺ] E +n ʺɡ BE BMVʨxx x SʽB + BE Vbʶɪɱ ʴǺV x SʽB* V +n ɤɺ xS ʺɡ x, ] Eɺ Vɺ]] x, ɽ |] E Sҡ Vʺ] + <b x SʽB, = E |x ʨɱx SʽB* =E Eɤʱɪi E Biɤɮ {ɮ, =E BVEx E Biɤɮ {ɮ, =E uɮ n Mɪ VVɨ] E +vɮ {ɮ ɽ Sҡ Vʺ] + <b x - iɦ <Ǩxnɮ E l ɮ ɽ <ƺɡ Ei * ɮ ɽ < En ɽM <ƺɡ E |Ҩ E] E +n BE-BE ҪʮM E BE-BE J {ɪ M Vi * BE +ɨ +n, BE ɨڱ +n |Ҩ E] Vx E S xɽ Ei *

MR. SPEAKER: You have taken 20 minutes. But your party has got 12 minutes.

ʶn + : ɮ, {S ʨx] + M, =E n +{x i Ji EM* E< <x] i xɽ E , n E <]] E i E *

+vI ɽn : <x] i E ɴɱ xɽ , Z ɤE x E E nx *

ʶn + : Vbʶɪɱ <]] E ɮ Z ɽ Ex l*

+vI ɽn, iҺɮ i <ExʨE ʮǺ E ɮ ɽ E M<* + ɶɴi ʺƽ V x ɮ i E E n E E ʺli {U ɮEɮ x Uc + =xE ʱB +V n E Ʀɱx ʶE Mɪ * +vI ɽn, {U {Sɺ ɱ Jiʱɡ <xx ʨxɺ] x V {SV < nx n , =x ɦ E x {g + Vɤ ɮEɮ n xɪ <xx ʨxɺ] E iEҮ E {ɽ {Oɡ ɽ i E {U ɮEɮ x < ɱi Uc , ɮ ʱB +M Sɱx ɽi ʶE Mɪ , Ʀɴ xɽ ... (ɴvx) =ɺ Vn =E ɱi E ʤMc ni * Ex ɽ E bVɱ E EҨi gx <Ex `E xɽ Ei* BE iɮ +{ E E E < ֱE E +n M֮i g , BE iɮ +{ { 20 E +n E E < n E ʺli Jɮɤ , < n E +n BVEx xɽ , < n E +n M Jɨɮ ɮ + nںɮ iɮ < iɮE +J n EE bVɱ E EҨi g * Vɤ +Mɱ nx Sxɴ E xiV +x ɱ l + Vɺ iɮ bVɱ E EҨi g< M<, = {i Sɱ Vi E ɮEɮ E xҪi ɡ xɽ * ɽ <Ǩxnɮ E l E< Eɨ xɽ Ex Sɽi * +{ <Ex E {ɽ gi, {ʱM E {ɽ gi i < n E M ɱ E Ei l E +{ Eix ɽ Mɱi * +{x S E +Mɱ nx Sxɴ E xiV +x ɱ , M E=]M ʤV M, <ʱB bVɱ E EҨi E < +ɴV E +n n n VB*

+vI ɽn, Sl + +Jɮ i <E] ʮ E ɮ Ex Sɽi * <E] ʮ E ɮ Eix xҪi ɡ , ɽ iɱi * Vɺ Ij SxE +ɪ , ɽ Jɱɡ .V.{. E =nɮ Vɺ Eɺ] E l, ɽ E E< {ʱɺ ]x B xɽ l, VɺE <SV = Eɺ] E x * {Ux Sɽi E E <xE xҪi + <x {ɮ Ex E V Ei E <E] ʮ EM* ɽ E ֨Ex E {ʱɺ ]x E <SV = Eɺ] E Vɺ Eɺ] E Ebb] .V.{. E ɽ c * ɮ b E. ɪɴi V E ɽ, +ɮ.B.B. + iɨɨ iɮ E iEi <xx ZE n, ɮ Bbʨxɺ]x =xE Jɱɡ l, {ڮ ɮEɮ =xE Jɱɡ l + Sɽi l E =x n VB* BE MɮҤ {ʮɮ {n < bڱb Eɺ] E cE E Mɱ =iɮx xɽ Sɽi*

+Jɮ ɮEɮ S ʺɡ <ix Ex Sɽi E < nx E +x E l Sɱx Sɽi * ɮ {] .B.{. x ɽ E E< Mɨ xɽ E* E+{ɮ] Ex Sɽi * Ex +{ɺ nJɺi Ex Sɽi E Vɤ ɮ b i +{E =x Jɨ E l xx SʽB* < nx ={p + i - Mɨ EM Mɨ EM, E EM E EM, ʺiɨ EM ʺiɨ EM, ɡ EM ɡ EM, Vɡ EM Vɡ EM, +n i֨ɮ V, V i֨ EM ɽ EM*

vxɴn*

SHRI P.H. PANDIYAN (TIRUNELVELI): Mr. Speaker Sir, I deem it a privilege and I am happy to participate in this Motion of Thanks to be adopted and submitted to the President.

I went through the Address presented by the President to this august House. In para 3 of the Address, the hon. President has started saying, `We the people of India'. I would like to stress on this point that the Constitution of India was adopted on 26th November 1949 saying:

"We, the people of India, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a sovereign socialist secular democratic republic and to secure to all its citizens: Justice, social, economic and political; Liberty of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; Equality of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all Fraternity assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation."

This was adopted on 26-11-1949. It was not ratified in the Convention as that of the United States. Members of Constituent Assembly, including Dr. Ambedkar, had drafted this Constitution to suit the purpose of the time in 1949. This is being followed for the last fifty years. As the President has said, it needs review.

Much water has flown for the last fifty years and the President in para 27 has stated that:

"Government will institute effective measures to eliminate chronic delays in the dispensation of justice,...to attract the best talent to the Bench."

I would like to draw the attention of the House about the judgement pronounced by the Supreme Court in 1998, wherein they have completely taken out the Executive Consultative Process in the appointment of Judges of High Courts and Supreme Court.

Now, the Executive has no role to play in the matter of recommendation or in the matter of appointment of Judges of High Courts and Supreme Court. Only the Chief Justice of India has the primacy in the recommendation of appointment of Judges of High Courts and Supreme Court to the President. Only a collegium consisting of Chief Justice of India with four seniormost Judges of the Supreme Court to recommend and appoint the Judges of Supreme Court and a collegium consisting of the Chief Justice of India with two seniormost Judges of the High Court could recommend the High Court Judges' appointment to the President.

As such, the President or the Executive need not be consulted at all. How are they going to attract the best talent to the Bench? It is up to the Chief Justice of India. This Parliamentary Executive has lost its sovereignty in recommending or in opposing the judgement.

About a few years back in 1993, a similar judgement was passed by the Supreme Court in Advocate on Records Association Case, wherein they have said, `if an Executive has got anything to say or to oppose they can come and oppose in the Supreme Court'. But nobody has opposed. So, article 124 now lies in the hands of the Supreme Court. This House or the President or the Prime Minister or the Home Minister has no role to play. They have surrendered their powers to the Supreme Court in the matter of appointment by virtue of this judgement.


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