<b>XIII LOK SABHA DEBATES, <i> Session II (Winter Session) </i> </b>
XIII LOK SABHA DEBATES, Session II (Winter Session) Monday, December 13, 1999/Agrahayana 22, 1921 (Saka )


Type of Debate: SPECIAL MENTION
Title: Regarding reported remarks of the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh and a Union Minister on the construction of Ram Temple at Ayodhya and Agenda of National Democratic Alliance.

TEXT :
MR. SPEAKER: Now, the House will take up `Zero Hour'.

... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Now, Shri Rajesh Pilot will speak.

SHRI RAJESH PILOT (DAUSA): Sir, I have a very important question and I want to ask it before the hon. Prime Minister leaves. The hon. Prime Minister is sitting here. If you read the hon. Prime Minister's speeches given in Parliament and outside Parliament, you would find him saying that this Government which is of NDA and BJP both together have no connection with the three issues. He had talked about Uniform Civil Code, article 370 and the Mosque and Mandir issue. He said that they are not connected with these three issues. He has said this in Parliament in his address. It is on record.

Today, a very important B.J.P. office bearer and a Minister in this Government, Kumari Uma Bharati was giving interview on television over telephone from Bhopal where I was answering. She said that all the three issues are alive and the moment B.J.P. comes to power on its own, all these three things will be implemented.

Sir, the nation cannot be kept in dark. It is the question of the future of the nation. If this is the ideology of my colleagues who are partners in the Government, they may clarify it to the nation. If this is their approach, the nation should know. They have taken a vote on different platform and are sitting together.

Sir, the hon. Prime Minister must answer this question to the nation and to Parliament.

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI (RAIGANJ): Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh having occupied the Constitutional position had been to Ayodhya day before yesterday... (Interruptions)

MAJ. GEN. (RETD.) B.C. KHANDURI (GARHWAL): Sir, they want to have a debate... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI : Sir, he publicly stated:

"Ram Temple at Ayodhya may not be on the agenda of the National Democratic Alliance but as far as the B.J.P. is concerned, it is very much in our agenda."

Sir, after that, a function was held and Nitya Gopal Das and other saints assembled there. They started singing hymns and also raised slogans in support of liberation of Kanshi and Mathura. The Chief Minister, Shri Gupta followed suit and reiterated that it is very much on the B.J.P.'s agenda. If the proclamation by the NDA's manifesto to the public is that these are not on their agenda, will the hon. Home Minister and the hon. Prime Minister clarify in the House that it is not the agenda of the B.J.P. also? It is because the B.J.P. is the principal partner in the Government. The earlier Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh, Shri Kalyan Singh said in the Supreme Court that the Mosque is safe and later on he proved to be the architect for demolition of the Mosque.

Again, the present Chief Minister also is whipping the sentiments of the people in Ayodhya by going to Ayodhya and saying that the temple is very much on his agenda. Not only that, he said and I quote as his quotation has come in the newspapers:

"Later on, the Chief Minister Mr. Gupta said, it is in our agenda.

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SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA (GUNA): This is a very serious issue. I would like to ask our friends. I would like to quote one more sentence, Sir. The Chief Minister did not just stop at that. I quote from The Times of India where the Chief Minister said:

MR. SPEAKER: How can you discuss all the statements of the Chief Ministers here?

SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : "...singing hymns and raising slogans in support of the liberation of Kasi and Mathura. The Chief Minister followed suit and so did some officials accompanying him."

Even Kasi and Mathura issue has tacitly been raised by the Chief Minister and the officials who had accompanied him. We would like to know what is the exact position of the Bharatiya Janata Party; whether the real face of the BJP is revealing itself. What is the attitude on this particular matter of our secular friends who are sitting there supporting them? They must make their position clear..(

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MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA : Sir, let the Prime Minister clarify it.

... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Please understand that today sixty new Members have given notices to raise important issues. Please understand the situation.

... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat.

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MR. SPEAKER: I have called Shri Somnath Chatterjee. Please take your seat.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (BOLPUR): Mr. Speaker, Sir, this cannot be treated as a mere internal matter of the BJP. It cannot be treated that only the BJP is concerned about this matter. Therefore, it cannot be said that we should ignore their internal matter because they are in trouble in Uttar Pradesh. (Interruptions)

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MR. SPEAKER: I have not called your name. Please take your seat.

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MR. SPEAKER: This is too much. Please take your seat.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Sir, it has been proclaimed by the Prime Minister of India, and the whole country has been told even before the elections, that NDA has been formed with a particular view, to keep out of its agenda three major issues over which the country had been agitated for a long time. It was very much there even in the 1998 Manifesto of the BJP. (Interruptions)

MAJ. GEN. (RETD.) B.C. KHANDURI : Mr. Speaker, Sir, how many times should we hear this? We are hearing this everyday. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Khanduri, when a senior Member is speaking, is this the way to behave? Please take your seat.

... (Interruptions)

MAJ. GEN. (RETD.) B.C. KHANDURI : Sir, people are dying in my area and I am not able to raise that issue here. How long will this go on here? (Interruptions)

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SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Sir, I do not know how many Speakers shall we have in the House. (Interruptions)

MAJ. GEN. (RETD.) B.C. KHANDURI : Sir, I want to raise an important issue pertaining to my area. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except what Shri Somnath Chatterjee says.

(Interruptions)*

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (BOLPUR): In spite of Speaker's permission given to me to speak, shall I have to keep them in good humour so that I can say something in this House? (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Please understand that when senior Members are speaking, we must maintain dignity.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Sir, if they had not interrupted me, I would have finished by this time. Why are they impatient? (Interruptions)

Sir, I was saying why we feel agitated about it. There is a commitment by the Government that these three matters will be kept out of the Government's agenda altogether. This was not a mere election propaganda, but this was a commitment. This has been reiterated on the floor of this House and there is a commitment to this country. Now we were told that just because, according to the BJP, coalition politics has come to stay, they have to adjust their own policies and programmes and they will not insist anything on these matters. I believe that some of our friends here were misled to enter the NDA on the basis of that assurance. It is for them to decide whether that assurance has been made or not. What has happened now? There are certain developments in Uttar Pradesh, the biggest State in this country. The Prime Minister's own nominee is there now. The whole country knows that the present Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh is the Prime Minister's own choice. He has openly said: `we shall do it' and he is committing himself to the nation as the head of the BJP Government in Uttar Pradesh. Not only that; he also said: _____________________________________________________________________________

*Not Recorded.

`we shall go upto Mathura and Kashi'. Now, we would like to know from the Government, the Prime Minister with how many voices the BJP will speak. In Parliament they will speak in one voice, in Uttar Pradesh they will speak in another voice, same party, same leadership and there is no contradiction by the Prime Minister of India. He has not pulled up the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh. Therefore, I would like to know whether what was committed to the nation by the BJP's leader, Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee, was meant to be honoured or not.

Or was it just an election rhetoric? Therefore, they must make their position absolutely clear whether the country has been misled because it is a question of unity and integrity of the country. If those are minor matters, they would not have consciously left them out. They have consciously left them out. I have my own doubt that the TDP support is also based on that commitment. Shri Yerrannaidu is here. I do not know what will be his response to that.

Well, there are many of my friends here. I am sure they condescended to join the NDA bandwagon on the basis they are keeping the controversial issues out which have been dividing the country. Therefore, it is the bounden duty of the Government and the country to take the House into confidence and tell the people as to what is the response? Otherwise, the people will know that this is a Government which is out to attack the integrity and unity of this country seriously. ... (Interruptions)

SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU (SRIKAKULAM): Mr. Speaker Sir, I do not want to take much of your time. There is a confusion because of the statements. There has been a commitment to this House and to the nation before the elections and after the elections. All these three issues have also not been mentioned in the President's Address. It would be better if the hon. Prime Minister gives a clarification in this House to the nation. That is my humble request.

MR. SPEAKER: Now, hon. Prime Minister.

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MR. SPEAKER: I have called the hon. Prime Minister. Please take your seat.

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MR. SPEAKER: What is this?

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MR. SPEAKER: Shri Yadav, please understand that I have already called the Prime Minister.

... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: You are obstructing the hon. Prime Minister.


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