<b>XIII LOK SABHA DEBATES, <i> Session II (Winter Session) </i> </b>
XIII LOK SABHA DEBATES, Session II (Winter Session) Thursday, December 16, 1999/Agrahayana 25, 1921 (Saka )


Type of Debate: SPECIAL MENTION
Title: Regarding killing of a Minister in Madhya Pradesh.

TEXT :
12.38 hrs.

|ɽn ʺƽ {] (ɱP]) : +vI ɽn, +{E vɨ v |n E BE nJn P]x E ɮ nx E VxEɮ nx Sɽi * ɱP] Vɱ E ƺn * ɽ E Sɮ ʴvx ɦ E Ij xEɱɴn +xnx |ɦʴi * MǪ ʱJ ɨ Eɨc E E j bg V xɨǨ i E M< V v |n ɮEɮ E Eʤx] j l + ɱP] Vɱ E |ɦɮ j l* ʺɡ <ix xɽ E i E M<, =xE l {U v Mɪ + Ex{֮ n E] V Vɪ Mɪ* Ex{֮ ʴvx ɦ Ij E Jɱɪ , iɽұ { * =xE Pɮ =xE =`ɪ Mɪ, =xE ʺɮ E E] Mɪ, =xE ɮҮ E E] Mɪ + Pɮ E E{ɺ E ɨx E Mɪ*

1239 hrs. (Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair)

+ < i {ɮ +ɨ ɪ xɽ E i E Eɮh E * +Mɮ ɮEɮ ɽ Ex Sɽi E ɽ xEɱɴn +xnx E ʽ i =E xEɮi i xɽ, Ex = {ɮ ʴɶɺ Ex E ʱB, =E xx E ʱB iɮ xɽ * =E Eɮh ix Sɽi E ɽ E ɦ E Sxɴ c * ɽ {ɮ xEɱ<] +xnx E +<.V. , b.+<.V. , B.{. , =E n Sxɴ c {ɪ* ɽ {U Sxɴ 116 inx Exp {ɮ inx E +ʦEi xɽ * x +{x Sxɴ +ʦEi V, {ɮ Z ֮I xɽ n M<* ֮I E M xɽ Ex Sɽi, Mɮ Ex Sɽi E ɮEɮ x E l E ɽ {ʮʺli +ɪM* ɽ {ɽ VxiE i * BE Eʤx] ʨxɺ] E i E n Vɪ, V Vɱ E |ɦɮ j , VɺE l BE] Sɱi , B x Vi E ɽ Vɱ E J j * < i E V nE Ex Sɽi E Vɤ |ɦɮ j E i Ei ,

=xE Pɮ =`E Jɱɪ n E] nڮ VE E]-E]E E n* =E n ɮ l < i E <ix E fM x Sɽi * x J j V ֤ɽ i E l* = Vɱ E ƺn , x E E xɮ ʨɱ x Sɽi , E +{ =E VxEɮ nM* +{E VxE +ɶSɪ M, nJ E l Ex Sɽi E J j V x E< Vɴɤn E i xɽ E* Vɤ Bb +bǮ E i Ei

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. Members, please resume your seats. I am on my legs.

... (Interruptions)

|ɽn ʺƽ {] : <E E j l

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Patel, you have already raised the matter. The Government might have taken note of it.

... (Interruptions)

|ɽn ʺƽ {] : x +{x i {ڮ xɽ E *

... (ɴvx)

ʶɴɮV ʺƽ Sx (ʴn): x x] n *

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Patel has already raised the matter. There are three or four other hon. Members to associate with what he said just now.

... (Interruptions)

={vI ɽn: ɽ E , VҮ +ɮ {ɮ E] xɽ *

... (ɴvx)

ʴxɪ E]ɮ (Vɤn): M Jc E < i E Vʺ]< E *

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Vinay Katiyar, your name is also there in the list. I will give you a chance to speak.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Patel, what do you want from the Central Government on this issue?

... (Interruptions)

|ɽn ʺƽ {] : n ʤn ɽ {ɮ Jx Sɽi

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. Members, Shri Patel has brought a very serious matter to the notice of the House. There are three or four other hon. Members to associate with what he has said just now.

|ɽn ʺƽ {] : < i {ɮ +{ii xɽ x SʽB* n i Ex Sɽi

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Ramdas Athavale, I have to seriously view your conduct.

... (Interruptions)

|ɽn ʺƽ {] : ={vI ɽn, Ex Sɽi

... (ɴvx)

={vI ɽn : +{ ɮEɮ E Sɽi , ɽ i<B*

ʴxɪ E]ɮ : {ڮ i i x nVB*

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am there to regulate the House. You do not have to regulate it. I want the whip of the Party to regulate his Members.

|ɽn ʺƽ {] : +{ɺ E , ɽ {ɽ P]x xɽ * {ɮ xɱ SE {ɮ xEɱ<] x PE Sɮ Px] ɪʮM E* ɽ {ɮ b Oxb Sɱ

... (ɴvx)

={vI ɽn : +{ ɮEɮ E Sɽi , ɽ i<B*

There are three or four Members who wish to associate themselves with it.

|ɽn ʺƽ {] : = Ij ƺn , i xɽ x VBM* +{ɺ E , n nx {ɽ xɱ SE {ɮ Sɮ Px] iE xEɱ<] x ɪʮM E * ɽ P]x E< {ɽ P]x xɽ * {U n ɽx E iɮ 17 18 P]x * J j E xɨ x {ɮ ʨj E +{ii , i Ei E ɨ +x SʽB, ɽ +{ɺ E ZMc E {ʮhɨ * -Bb-+bǮ E ʺli ɽ {ɮ xɽ

... (ɴvx)

ɮEɮ M Ex Sɽi

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You will get a chance to speak.

|ɽn ʺƽ {] : ɽ E J j E iiEɱ iM {j nx SʽB*

... (ɴvx)

ɽ BE Vɱ

DIG

` + * =E i B ɽ i VB, iiEɱ EɪǴɽ x SʽB*

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This is `Zero Hour', not a discussion. You should only say what you want the Government to do.

|ɽn ʺƽ {] : ɮEɮ M Ei E ɽ E ɮEɮ E JǺi i E Vx SʽB + +vEʮ E Jɱɡ EɪǴɽ E Vx SʽB*

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Scindia, you will get a chance to speak.

ʶɴɮVʺƽ Sx : xxҪ ={vI ɽn, +{x +{E <ɺ ɨr Ei , Ex xɴnx ɽ E < {ڮ ɨɱ E

CBI

VS Eɪ* EO E +xnh ZMc E {ʮhɨ , ɽ {ɮ j E i < * ... (ɴvx) {ڮ v |n Exx + ɴɺl E ʺli n niɮ M< * +{ɮv E ɨɱ

... (ɴvx)

nMVɪ ʺƽ V E JǺi E VB* v |n E ɮEɮ E JǺi E VB + {ڮ ɨɱ E

CBI

VS E< VB*

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Pandey, please resume your seat. Nothing will go on record.

(Interruptions)*

ʴxɪ E]ɮ : ={vI ɽn, I Ƥvi Vnڮ P E M ... (ɴvx) nںɮ ʴɹɪ {ɮ *

... (ɴvx)

={vI ɽn : < ʺɱʺɱ +{E xɨ , +{ <ɺ BʶB] Ex Sɽi *

... (ɴvx)

={vI ɽn : {hb V, +{E xɨ BʶB] Ex E ʱB xɽ * +{ xɪɮ 訤ɮ * <xx xɨ n , <ʱB <xE ֱɪ *

ʴxɪ E]ɮ : ɽ ɽi MɨҮ ɨɱ * <ɺ ɨr Ei B ɮi ɮEɮ xɴnx Ex Sɽi E <E

CBI

VS E< VB + E< V Vɽ-Vɽ EO E ii , ɽ {ɮ +B nx P]xɪ * ... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Your name is there. I will call your name. You are going to associate yourself with it.

ʴxɪ E]ɮ : Jc , Z x xɽ nM* +{E ɮ Ex xɽ nM*

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Why are you provoking them? You should confine yourself to the subject.

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* Not Recorded.

ʴxɪ E]ɮ : ɽn, {ڮ v |n +VEi E iɴɮh * Exx xɨ E E< SV xɽ M< * ɽ {ɮ BE nJ< ni , ɽ Vi i +{ɺ ci * BE Eʤx] j E i VB, <ɺ nJn + E< P]x xɽ Ei * xxҪ n E =iiVi x E =xE nJ ɽM xx SʽB* Ex +V Z B M E <xE <ɺ EU x-nx xɽ * ... (ɴvx)

={vI ɽn : Vɤ E]ɮ V i +{ S E *

... (ɴvx)

ʴxɪ E]ɮ : ɽn, v |n ɮEɮ E JǺi EE Ҥ+< <E VS E< VB, ɽ xɴnx *

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. Members, there are more items and we could go through them also if you maintain peace. There are some more Members who want to participate. Now, Shri Scindia will speak.

... (Interruptions)

vɴɮɴ ʺvɪ (Mx) : xxҪ ={vI ɽn, V P]x P] ɽ n nJn + Si E xɴi E +vɮ {ɮ < Vxi nڮ Ji B < {ɮ SS Ex SʽB*

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This is not the way to behave in the House. When you were speaking, I was controlling the House. Everybody must have patience for hearing.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.

(Interruptions) *

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will not allow anybody to talk like this.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You are not allowing even the Chair to speak. You please sit down. I am on my legs.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please do not interrupt now. There are some more Members to speak.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Again you are getting up.

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* Not Recorded.

... (ɴvx)

Eɱxl (Uxnc) : ɽn, <xE Jɱɡ Jn E Sɱ + ɽ ɨ Sc i E *

... (ɴvx)

={vI ɽn : < = E EbE] Ex E E ɺ xɽ *

... (ɴvx)

ʴxɪ E]ɮ : ɽn, ƺnҪ Eɪ j E ֱɪ VB*

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This is too much, Shri Vinay Katiyar. Now please sit down.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let him speak. He has also given notice. Shri Shivraj Singh Chouhan, please sit down.

... (ɴvx)

={vI ɽn : +{ xɪɮ 䨤ɮ , +{E ɱڨ x SʽB E ix-Sɮ 䨤ɮ BE ɤVE] {ɮ ʱɺ] + Vi i ɤE Sƺ ʨɱi * +{E Sƺ ʨɱ i E =x xɽ ʨɱx SʽB? E <xE +{ <]{] EM*

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will not allow you to speak like this.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Chouhan, please sit down.

... (ɴvx)

iɵi Siִn (JV֮ɽ) : n n nx ix M E i *

... (ɴvx)

uɮ Vɮ

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Is there nobody who can control them? Shri Shivraj Singh Chouhan, if you all behave like this, tell me, how can I condu this House? You are not allowing even me to speak in this House. When you speak and they interrupt, nothing will go on record and nobody can hear you. When they speak and you interrupt like this, how can I conduct the House? What Zero Hour is this? It is better that we adjourn the House. You all had your say; let him also be heard peacefully. Please do not interrupt him. I appeal to all the three of you - Shri Vinay Katiar, Shri Shivraj Singh Chouhan and Shri Prahlad Singh Patel.

...(Interruptions)

ʶɴɮVʺƽ Sx : ={vI V, ʽnֺix {ɽ ɮ E Eʤx] j E i < *

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You have started it again. I think the Parliamentary Affairs Minister should control these people. Shri Pramod Mahajan, Parliamentary Affairs Minister, I seek your cooperation. I just cannot control these two-three Members. I am unable to control them. Please prevail upon them and tell them to keep quiet. How do I conduct the House like this?

ʴxɪ E]ɮ : i Eɱ <ix Sɽi E ƺnҪ Eɪ j V < ɨɱ {ɮ ɪx n*

... (ɴvx)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : We are seeing now that they are disturbing the House. They are doing all sorts of disturbance here and the senior Members are sitting quiet. Members on the Treasury Benches are not allowing the House to continue.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Members on the Treasury Benches should not behave like this. It is very unfortunate. All the senior leaders are sitting quiet. They do not even convince them. They all had their say. How do I conduct the House?

ʶɴɮVʺƽ Sx : Eʤx] j E] E E n VB + EU xɽ*

... (ɴvx)

]Vɮ S E iɮ E S{ , E xɽ*

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I warn you, do not say such things.

vɴɮɴ ʺvɪ : xxҪ ={vI V, V xɨǨ + ɤǮ i < , +ɶSɪ E E +V < = xɴҪ ɴx+ E E Mɪ * E x xɴҪ ɴx+ E iM n *

... (ɴvx)

ʴɱɺ iiɴɮ (xM{֮) : x {ɮ E +{E x{ɱ *

... (ɴvx)

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI (RAIGANJ): If you do like this, we will not allow anybody from your side to speak in the House. Is it the proper way?

...(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I warn the Member. He cannot stop any other Member to speak in this House. This is really too much. I am sorry to say this.

(Interruptions)

13.00 hrs.

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI : If they do like this, we will also not allow anything to be transacted...(Interruptions) How will the House function in this condition?...(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let him say. Please take your seats.

Now, Shri Madhavrao Scindia to speak.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Pradhan, please resume your set.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There is a limit for anything.

vɴɮɴ ʺvɪ : xxҪ ={vI ɽn, ɽ E l E E-E B EU nJn P]xB P] Vi Vx E ɮ nx SS Vxi E +M + {ɮ Ji B i * iҺ ɹ E ƺnҪ <iɽɺ +x֦ɴ < iɮ E * +V iɤv * Z ɽ nJ E +ɶSɪ + Vɤ < xɨǨ + ɤǮ i E ɨɱ E =` E ɮ lMh VxiE u + VxiE M nx E Eʶɶ Ex M* +{ұ EM

... (ɴvx)

ʶɴɮVʺƽ Sx : ={vI ɽn, ɽ Mɱi i E * ... (ɴvx) <ɨ Vxi Ex E ɴɱ xɽ *

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Will you not allow him to speak? Please tell me. Mr. Chauhan, will you not obey the Chair?

... (ɴvx)

vɴɮɴ ʺvɪ : x B iɴɮh E xɽ nJ*

... (ɴvx)

={vI ɽn : ɽ E ?

... (ɴvx)

|Eɶ Vɪɺɴɱ (Ex{֮) : ={vI ɽn, BE xɪɮ 訤ɮ + S-S ]E-]E E *

... (ɴvx)

={vI ɽn : <ɨ E {ʱ]E ? ɽ +{E i E Vɴɤ n *

... (ɴvx)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It has also gone on record.

... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Did I object you?

vɴɮɴ ʺvɪ : ɨxxҪ EJҮɨ Eɴɮ V BE Sx B ʴvɪE E xi ɮ {֮x l l* Z {ڮ ʴɶɺ E iiɰg n V ɮ l ` , =x ɽi nn ɽں M* Vɺ iɮ ɽ xɨǨ i < + =xE E]-E] E ɮ bɱ Mɪ, =ɺ xʶSi { xɴҪ ɴxB +ɽi i * ɽ ɮ + +{E l l* +{ɺ +vE nn ɽں * ={vI ɽn, < {E n nJx M* < ɨxv ʨɱ-Vֱ E ` En =`x M* +JɮEɮ Vɺ iɮ =xE i <

... (ɴvx)

<ɨ Vxi


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