ɦ{i ɽn, Ҩi Mi JV ɽ |ɺiɴ E +< + nɺɨƶ x iɪ E B ʴɹɪ {ɮ ɽ E< ɮ SS i Ex <E E< x E< M xEɱx E +ɴɶEi * B x E < ɮ SS E Vɪ + ʮEb x Vɪ*

< nx Vɺ ʴɹɪ {ɮ SS i , = SS E n, ɮEɮ E = {ɮ MƦҮi xhǪ x E +ɴɶEi * <ʱB j V +{ұ Ei E +{ ʺE =tM E Vn Vn bɱ{ Ex E ɮ E< x E< xhǪ + xʶSi E E Wnڮ E Wnڮ xɽ VB* <ix Zɴ Ji B +{x i ɨ{i Ei *

|. ɺ ʺƽ ɴi (+Vɨ) : xɴɮ ɦ{i ɽn, vɮ E +xEڱ i E< Sɱx Sɽi Ex ɨɪ E {ɽSxE n vɮ E |iEڱ Sɱ VB i =ɨ ɽ E +ɴɶEi i * + Ҩi Mi JV uɮ |ɺii V E{ , =ɨ EU i i `E VxE ɨlx E Vx SʽB* ɽ E V Vnڮ , V n x ɱ ɴVxE ={F , =xɨ Eɨ Ex ɱ +vEɮ, ʨE Wnڮ E BbVɺ] E VB .+ɮ.B. E +iMi V ixJɽ + nںɮ ɦ , ɽ nE =xE xɴii E VB nںɮ Eɨ Mɪ VB + =xE n n Vx SʽB* Z Jn E l Ex {c E +Jɮ Vx ɴVxE ={F E n E +lE + +tME ʴEɺ E +n c ɮ Mnx l, + Vx +vxE ɮi E n E Vi l, VxE +n + b xx Sɽi l E ɽ |ɤvEҪ ɴɺl E nʹ] , EɪEֶɱi E nʹ] Vxɨ +-Jɮ {ɪ E {ii ɮ n E M, Vxi E E E V Mg E< =ɨ M l + BE ɨɪ c +ɶB ME ɮ n nJ l, Vɺ ɨɪ l{i E MB l, c-c {x x VB l Ex V {x VB l, Eɮ xɽ {B + ɮ >{ɮ ɮ x MB* xɴɮix E UcE ʨxҮix E UcE Vix ɴVxE ={F , {ɽ 26 l, =xE J gi-gi 241 iE {ɽS M<* =xE +n n E MɦM 5 Jɮ 83 + {ɪ E {V M < + ɤɺ c WMɮ nx ɱ * <xE EɮiE + BiɽʺE ʨE {ɮ <E ɴVn x V +ɶB V< l, {ڮ xɽ E {B , Eɱ , , +BxVҺ +n E UcE* E|ɤvx E Eɮh, ɹ]Sɮ E Eɮh, S E Eɮh + inlǴn E Eɮh, xEɽ E Eɮh + VxiY E Jֱ SɮMɽ x Vx E Eɮh ɽ ʺli ɴVxE ={F E M< * < Sx + Vxx {cM*

ɽn, +{E vɨ ɮEɮ Ex SɽM E ɴVxE ={F ɺiɴ ɦ V Sɱx ɱ , =xE i |iɽx n Vx SʽB + =xE + +M gx E |ɪɺ Ex SʽB Ex V xɮiɮ P] Sɱ , V ʤɱEֱ ɪɱ xɽ , =xE ʤɱEֱ n E Vx SʽB, Ex =xE V ESɮ + +vEɮ , =x ɤE E x E ʴɺl{x ɱ |Eɮ x SʽB* ɮ +Vɨ BS.B.] E EɮJx * {ɽ BE =tM j x +n n l E V ɱ] ʮ]ɪɮ] x Sɽ, Ei * =xE Sɮ-U& ɽx E ixJɽ V xi , ɽ nE + +ɶɺx nE ʴn E n* EU E { n, EU E Mix xɽ +* + ɽ xxҪ ɮ =tM j V ʴɮVɨx * {U nx +Vɨ E .+ɮ.B. ʮ]ɪb 15-20 ESʮ + +vEʮ E BE hb +{x {j E l x xxҪ j V E V Vɺɨ E Mɪ l E V +ɶɺx l E <ix { nM, xʡ] nM Mɮ <ix ɨɪ Mɪ + + iE ={F E +vEɮ Ei E { xɽ + , ={F P] Sɱ , E n* ɮEɮ x {ɽ ɹ]Ҫ xɴEh E EU { nɪ* V n x ɱ x] l, .+<.B.+ɮ. x =x {ɮ ʴSɮ EE x E n Ex E xɶSɪ E*

V E x] =xE ɮ EU B Sɱ * xɴɮ, E iE <xE ɮ fi M* <ʱB VxE {] E , =xE {] E VB* EU ESʮ x |lx-{j n E x] ʮ]ɪɮ] x Sɽi * +vEɮ =xE ɮ xhǪ xɽ i + ɽ {j Vx n i * <E ɮ +{E nJx SʽB*

ɦ{i ɽn, +{E vɨ n-Sɮ i + Ex SɽM* <E E Eɮh l E Vx ɴVxE ={F x g +ɶB M< l, <ix +ɡ * ɮ Exɺ] < ɴVxE ={F E i i ]i i , Vnڮ E ʽi E i i Ei i * Ex ɴVxE ={F E <ix xɪx M< E +V BE E Zb >S i =E M x, nںɮ nx nںɮ E Zb >S , iҺɮ nx iҺɮ E Zb >S * <E {ʮhɨ ɽ i E |ɤvx =x ESʮ E ciɱ M i * VɤE ciɱ E gɴ nx ɱ * + nɺɨƶ V P] E ɮ EEii, ɴc E xɨ l E ɽ E ʺli M< * +V E =nɮEh, 趴Eh + Jֱ{x E Vɨx <x {ɮ Jֱ{x ʴSɮ Ex M* V ={F ɦ =x E E +M gɪ + V P] Sɱ , n E Vxi {ɮ V] E uɮ E E Z =xE Vɽ {ci * n E Vxi + < Z E xɽ =`

Ei, +vE xɽ Z Ei, <ʱB =x +ʴɱɨ n E Vx SʽB* Ex V Vnڮ, ESɮ + +vEɮ =xɨ Eɨ MM B , =xE V xʡ] + nںɮ ɨɱ , =xɨ =x xɪ ʨɱx SʽB*

ɦ{i ɽn, Z Jn E l ɽ ix {c E +V Sɮ-{S ɱ {ɽ {ʱǪɨ] E BE E] E l MJ{֮ Mɪ l* ɽ ]DZ<Vɮ Eɮ{x + <Vɪ E BE ɽi c EɮJx M + * = EɮJx E x nJ* ɽ Z {i M E ɽ EɮJx U: ɽx n {c * ɽ EɮJx ɽi ɨ-Sc + ұ + * =ɨ c-c +vEʮ E Mɱ Eɮ + ESʮ E E]Ǻ l* =ɨ ɱɮ E {<{ <x nx l* Ex Ex n, Ex xhǪ ? EE xEɽ E +x b{]x ɽ |ɤvE xE V Vi l* +x b{]x ɱ +vEɮ ɽ VE =xE nx Ei l* VxiY +{x <-iV E ɽ MɴE =E nx Ei * Ex xhǪ x =x V ɪiii |{i x SʽB l, ɽ xɽ l* + ɽ M E i E ɮEɮ x xɴɮix E ɪiii |nx E n + |ɤvEҪ ɴɺl E ɮ xhǪ Ei , +{x =i{nx E ɮ xhǪ Ei , |ɤvx E `E Ex E ɮ xhǪ Ei * Ex {ɽ ɽ ʺli xɽ l, VɺE {ʮhɨ ɽ i l - i x x, Ex ɮM {x, ɮ ɽ B BE Eɴi * {ɽ ɽ S l E +vEɮ + ʨE M ʨɱE <E ʽVi E* ɮ ɴVxE ={F E |i =xE |iɤri M, Eɪ E |i xɹ` M* Ex x +xֶɺx + x =xx +{x Vɨnɮ E ɨZ* {ʮhɨɺɰ{ Z E b Sɽ {ɮ ] M< + ɴVxE ={F < nxҪ ʺli + Mɪ* <ʱB x < S< E Eɮ E * ɱ ɮEɮ E ɽ Ec P] {x {c* Ex ɮEɮ +x֮v Ex SɽM V P] ɱ ={F , VxE ʤʱ] Ji M< , Vx {ɺ Vn xɽ E V Ei, =x iiEʱE |ɦɴ n E Vx SʽB* =x V ʨE, +vEɮ, |ɤvE + ESɮ , =x E BbVɺ] E VB =xE ʱB .+ɮ.B. +lɴ Mbx b E +n V ɴɺl E, =E xʡ] n VB* B x E =x n-n E ʦJɮ x n VB* Z +ɶ ɮEɮ < vx JM*

ɦ{i ɽn, BE-n Zɴ + nx SɽM* E xɪx E xɨ xɽ x SɽM* Ex M`i Mɮ, VxiE xi, ʡ + xEɽ E< ɴVxE ={F E ɨ{ii E Jn-n Ex {U xɽ * ɨSɮ-{j B ɽi P]xB + SE * ɮ ɹ] E ɴVxE ={F, {ʤE +b]EM E Vxi E Mg E< E Ec-+ {ɪ JS EE xɪ Mɪ * =xE |i ɮ xɹ`, +xֶɺx, =Si |ɤvx, ʽVi + =xE I E + n ɮ vx xɽ M, n <Ǩxnɮ E l Eɨ xɽ EM i ʡ <xE E ɪn * <ʱB =xE ʱB |ʶIi ij Eb xɪ Vx SʽB* ɮEɮ +vEɮ ɽ VE n-ix ɱ iE * =xɨ S xɽ i , ]E {ɺ + Vi VɺE Eɮh =xE V ɴɺl vɮx SʽB ɽ xɽ vɮi *

ɦ{i ɽn, <ʱB <b]V E ʱB |ʶIi ij Eb E ɴɺl E Vx SʽB* <E +ɴ |ɤxv EɪEֶɱi x SʽB* ={F E iɮ {ɮ ɪiii n Vx SʽB iE xɨh, =i{nx, Vɮ, ɱ, <xɺ]ESɮ nx E ɮ ɽ E +vEɮ xhǪ E* Sɴɱɪ E +n E |iI x E E ɽ E < +BM = {ɮ xhǪ x Eix nx MM ʱE Vix ={F =xE +vEɮ, ʨE E Mnɮ ʨɱE ɤ iɪ E E Ex i ɮ ɽ =xxi Ei + =E ʱB |ɪɺ E E ʨE E ={F E |i |iɤri x SʽB* ={F E ɮ E xV xɴE E SE +vxEEh E ʱB vx V]x SʽB*

ɨɴn ʨj ɽ < ɨɪ ɽi E J ` * =xE n nx Sɽi E SV E ɮEɮEh EB Vx E Eɮh E{b Mɪ* ɽ E +lij xɹ] Mɪ EE ɽ |iɺ{v E ɴx ɨ{i M<* {ʮhɨɺɰ{ ɮ E ɮ ɨɴn n ɨ{i Mɪ* E ɮ n E S-JS +lij E xɹ] Ex Sɽi ? xɴnx E E{ɨbEi iM E Mɱ + j{֮ E Ҩ+ +M gE ɮ ɹ] E ɮ ɨO Sxix E iE =xE Sxix {Ei + E E ɹ] E ʽi E *

ɽn, j ɽn xɴnx Ex Sɽi E V b<x]] EҶx +{x xɪ , =E lc ɶEi xɪ VB + ={F E ɺ E E xʶSi M E xV xɴE E S VB + +vxEEh E ʱB vx V]ɪ VB* |ɤxvE E BE=]ʤʱ] x SʽB* =xE =iiɮnɪ xx SʽB iE {ʮʺli E +xֺɮ ɽʺE xhǪ E + Sɴɱɪ E +n E |iI x E* xɴɮ E Mɪ E-

"M Ei E ni Vɨx

+ n ɽ V Vɨx E n n"

ɽn, V V, ɽ ʴɮVɨx * =xx ɽɮɹ] E ʴEɺ Eɡ Mnx n * =xɺ |lx EM E ɹ] E ʽi +Mɮ Ec En =`x E Vɰi , i +ɶ =`B + ɴVxE ={F E ʺli E vɮ* V ɴVxE ={F +SU =xE + +M gx E |ɪɺ E + V P] , V ɮ >{ɮ ɮ x B , =xE iiEɱ xn E E =xE lx {ɮ nںɮ Eɨ ְ EB* n <xE |ɤxv E +vxEiɨ |tME ɮ {ɺ xɽ , i =E ɴɺl Ex SʽB* ɤɺ gE V i ɽ ɽ E ʨE + |ɤxvE ={F E |i +{xi E ɴx {n E Vɺɺ =tM E +{x =tM ɨZ* n B M, i ɹ] E =xxi M + ɤ l ʨɱE Eɨ E Vɺɺ ɽ ɴx ɱɴi E-

"+Mɮ xɴ bڤM i bڤM ɮ

x SM x l ɮ"

={F E |i =xɨ +iҪi E ɴx {n M, i xʶSi { ɽ xɮ ֱxn M-

"n E ʱB EM Eɨ

ʡ Eɨ E n M {ڮ nɨ"

+Mɮ ɽ ɴx {n M, i xʶSi { ɮ ɹ] + ɮ ɴVxE ={F =xxi E {l {ɮ +Oɺɮ M*

<x ɤn E l, Ҩi Mi JV E V ʤɱ ɴVxE ={F {ʱɺ E ɮ , =E +ʶE ɨlx Ei , Ex +xvxEh xɽ Ex Sɽi* <ɨ V i <xɴ]] + b<x]] {ʱɺ E ɮ , ɨZi E <ɨ E< V xɽ , Ex {ڮ ɴvx Jx SʽB* V +.Bx.V.., , , b + xɴɮix, ʴn Sɮ xMɨ +n-+n =xE + vɮ VB + vx V]x E< ES x E VB* <x ɤn E l ɦ{i ɽn, +{x Z ɨɪ n, =E ʱB +{E +ɦɮ Ei Ei *

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (SIVAGANGA): Mr. Chairman, Sir, it is really a very important matter which has to be looked into by the Government.

We are very happy to say that Maharashtra is an industrially advanced State. Shri Manohar Joshi was a very successful Chief Minister there and he has recently taken over charge as the Minister of Heavy Industries and Public Enterprises. Therefore, he has rich experience. The industrial development attitudes should be thoroughly gone into in this very important period of our nation's turning point because we are really thinking that only foreign funds and private sector can bring in the scope for the development of this country. But it is not a true statement. The truth is that they are also needed. But the truth is that we have got a very rich heritage. We have also got a very good industry run by the Public Sector which was successful and wonderful in the world when other countries were limping back to normalcy.

India was very successful as a socialist country when the Russian Communist Party and Mr. Gorbachev could not retain their country together. We have kept different sections of people and people with different cultures united for the past 50 years. This is a big achievement. But now BJP Government is taking steps to reverse all the good things. This is very unfortunate. BJP's attitude is different from that of the previous Governments. They want to denationalise everything and they want to divide the people on the basis of Mandal and kamandal which is very unfortunate. As a newcomer in Parliament, I am observing each and every physical movement of important persons. I am very unhappy to see Shri Pramod Mahajan encouraging two young Members, Shri Somaiya and Shri Swain to promote a division among the citizens by bringing a Private Members' Bill and applauding them.

These are the things which the people of the country are looking at. Therefore, Bharatiya Janata Party should not be a Bharatiya Janata Party. It should not be a party which divides the nation. This nation expects a lot from this Government because people with different attitudes have come together and formed the Government. So, people are expecting so much from this Government.

MR. CHAIRMAN : That word will be expunged from the record.

SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN : In this context, I would request the Government to kindly take into consideration the historical aspect of the public sector undertakings. They were created with the view that the private enterprises could not take so much of investment to come to the level of industrial revolution. That was the intention of Jawaharlal Nehru when he set up these public sector units. He brought industries like iron, steel and coal into the public sector because that was the necessity for the nation at that time. When the other countries of the world could not progress, India had progressed well due to its public sector. A lot of our tax money was invested in it and that is why, they could come up to the level of competing with other nations. They can supply goods and any other material which are required for building up the under-developed countries. Earlier, all the Non-aligned countries were purchasers from us and all the countries of the world were looking at us. That was the stature of our public sector which was promoted by Pandit Nehru. Subsequently, when Indiraji came to power, she had promoted them very aggressively to make these units come on the top. They were surpuss in every field.

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*Expunged as ordered by the Chair.

She had nationalised the banks and we cannot re-write the history. The nationalisation of the banks proved to be very profitable for the country. That made the ordinary people able to get capital and know-how to promote small-scale industries. That was a very successful venture because so many unemployed people got employment and also got self-employment. They promoted very good small-scale and medium industries.


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