Sir, Shri Jaipal Reddy has said that the air belongs to all of us. He quoted Pandit Nehru forgetting what Shri Gill had written in his book `The Dynasty'. He has quoted the judgement of the Supreme Court while forgetting the activities which took place right under his nose in his Ministry then. He had said that his job as a Minister was to become jobless in the Ministry to make the Prasar Bharati strong. The Government knows very well as to how did they perform then.

ɦ{i ɽn, E n E E Eix-Eix +v M, Vɽ iE <E ɴɱ , ʴVɪ MǪ ɽ b E Ei , {ڮ ʴɶ =xE ɮ Vxi * +ʤn ֺx ɽ b{] + VҴ Mv =bx Vc * +Mɮ ɮEɮ E E< ƶ i, i ɽ xɽ i* .+ɮ. ɴ ɽ { ]ExV E ʴɶY , Ex +V |vx j V x ix n E BE E] x< * =ɨ E< nںɮ xҪi xɽ * =ɨ Vx Eiɪ E J Mɪ =E ڱ =q䶪 E |{i Ex E ʱB * Vx xɨ E =ɨ ʨɱ E Mɪ =ɨ J Mɪ - xɮɪh i E VxE {ڮ ɮi Vxi , {ڮ ʴɶ Vxi , <xx ]ExV E ʴVb * ֱ x, V n ɮ xɽ ʱE {ڮ ʴɶ E] Eƺɱ]ƺ E ʱB Vx Vi *

Eh EɮxE, V +n ].. Ji , ɽ bEɮ Sxɱ nJ M xɽ Ei* B M E ʨi x< M< iE |ɺɮ ɮi E Miʴvɪ {ɮ BE ɮ ʡ xɮIh EE =E ɮ VxEɮ |{i E Vɪ* +V |ɺɮ ɮi M E ]ɪ Vx E i E E nx < |Eɮ E SS Ex `E xɽ * i < nx E ɨx ɽ Ex SɽM E Vɺ {ʮʺli |ɺɮ ɮi E b E M`x {ɽ + + ɮ ɮEɮ E V ƶ * ... (ɴvx)

Sir, I was the second speaker from the BJP. Somehow my name has gone down very low in the list as it has happened with Prasar Bharati.

MR. CHAIRMAN : You have already spoken for 25 minutes.

SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY : But, Sir, there are many important points left with me. I will try to conclude early.

ɦ{i ɽn, +{E i ɽi * |ɺɮ ɮi E M`x <in ɽi ɮ q {ɮ x SS E * ɮ ɮEɮ E xҪi ɡ + ɮ ɮEɮ < i E xE Sɱi E +V Vɺ iɮ |iɺ{v b E Ij , ]ʴVx E Ij + Pɮ E iɮ +x ɱ iɨɨ-

bombardment of television channels inside our houses.

Vɺ |Eɮ ɽ ɤ , =ɨ |iɺ{v E +ɴɶEi * +V Vɰi E nڮnx E B ɪii n Vɪ* +x ɱ nx {ڮ ʴɶ E {x {ɮ Vɺ iɮ ... nJi , Vɺ iɮ E Sxɱ nJi , = iɮ <E Mhɴii B * {ڮ ʴɶ V ƺEɮ E Mɮɴ] , {ڮ ʴɶ E iɮ {ɮ M E S S E ɮi E {hE +ɺl {ɽS* M S E ɮ nڮnx E Sxɱ ʴɶ nJ Vɪ + <ɺ ɮi E ɨx g* V ɪii E i E , +{x {ƴ {ɮ Jc x E i E , Vɺ +]x E i E , {ڮ nx E M ɽi M E +x ɱ nx Vɺ ɤɱ xii E l, +] ʤɽɮ V{ E ɤɱ xii +V ɮiҪ Vxi {] E ɮEɮ {ڮ n Sɱ * ɮ iV iɮǮ <xx Bb bEʺ]M ʨxɺ] Vxx xhǪ x E |ɪɺ E , ɮ ɮEɮ BEn iɪ EM, BEn E]r E +x ɱ nx |ɺɮ ɮi E {ڮ xɪɨ E M Ei B, =E ɪii ni B = EɪǴɽ E {ڮ EM*

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Mr. Chairman, Sir, Shri Rudy made specific references to some of the steps I took. Therefore, I am entitled to offer personal clarification.

BJP, perhaps like the Nazis, believe in repeating a big lie ten times so that it can pass for truth. I stated here, in the course of my presentation, that I notified the Act as early as the 22nd July, 1997. The Act came into irreversible operation as early as the 15th September. I wrote to the Vice-President of India on the 30th October. It should not be confused with 17th November.

The process of selection was initiated from the 30th October with the Vice-President as the Chairperson. Selections were made available to the Government on the 19th of November. The Government had no role to play in it. The Minister is a noted lawyer. As per Subsection (4), Section 4 of the Act, selections made by the Selections Committee are final and binding. Therefore, Shri Rudy is only a party to the process of spreading this Goebbelsesian lie.

SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY : This requires explanation.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Giving explanations and counter-explanations is not allowed. Shri Rudy, please take your seat.

SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY : Sir, this matter is the property of the House now. These are facts. There are documents substantiating what I have said. In spite of that when such statements are made in the House, they should be withdrawn.

Sir, he has said that I am just trying to be a part of the bigger lie game. I do not agree with this. Sir, I think, he should withdraw these words.

Yes, it is an accepted fact that we are here in the Ruling party. We appreciate the mistakes committed by him and that can be condoned. We will find ways to solve it. But then, he should accept it.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Now, please take your seat.

b. MʮV ɺ (=n{֮) : ɦ{i ɽn, +V Vɤ |ɺɮ ɮi {ɮ SS i ɹ {ɽ E P]xB M E nM Pڨ M Vxx +<. Bb . ʨxɺ] E nJ * n Vɤ EO ii l iɤ +V = iɮ ` B M, V |ɺɮ ɮi {ɮ |ɶxSx M , |ɺɮ ɮi E Eɱi Ei B xɽ lEi l + ɮ-ɮ iiEɱx ɮEɮ {ɮ +ɮ{ Mi l E x ɪiii xɽ n, M <E]xE b {ɮ {ڮ E] Jx Sɽi + ɪiii V +V E +ɴɶEi , EO =ɺ nڮ V * +V = iɮ E M ɪiii E BE +M {ʮɹ xE EU +VҤ Vɰ M + EU +ɶSɪ * Ex +V BE Ei B V iɤ ɪiii E i Ei l + +V ɪiii E i Ei + +V =xx V ʴɹɪ {ɮ ɽ b] JE ɤE +inx E E n * <ɮ b. b E iɮ * Ex = Ei E lc VF E E Vɤ 1990-91 ɪiii E i {ɮ ʴ{I E xɶx ɮ >{ɮ i l + ix Sɮ i E Ei l, V S l* ]ExV E ʽɤ ɽi ɮ E{xɪ ɮi +x ɱ l + = Ei ɤɺ c ɽ Jiɮ l E +V n |ɺɮ ɮi E ɽ ɰ{ i +x ɱ E l ɮ E ɱE M, =xE ɽ E |Eɮ nMnx M + =E l ɮ ]ʴVx E Ҩ iE + E iE ]E {BM*

nںɮ ɤɺ ɽi{h i BE=]ʤʱ] E l VɺE Ƥv ɮ iiEɱx j V x +{x i E l* =xx E l E +]x E {Ivɮ Ex +]x E x E BE=]ɱ , < i E nJx Sɽi * EO x = Ei ɽ E E BE=]ʤʱ] E M + =E ʱB ɤɺ c i ɽ E ʤɱ E +x Vɰ + ʤɱ iɤ iE {ڮ iɮ xɽ x Ei Vɤ iE ɦ iɤE , ɦ {]E {]V + ɦ b Vc B M i xɽ Vi*

iҺɮ i ESʮ E l E =xE ɨɪVx E M, E M + i ɽ {ɮ +E E M< E Vɤ iE <x iɤE i xɽ E E, +]x E {Ivɮ E < ʤɱ + Exx E +v-+vڮ xɽ x nx Sɽi* Ex x E E ɽ ʤɱ + <E ɪiii b ɽ E * <ʱB Vɤ j x i =xE {ɽ |lʨEi |ɺɮ ɮi ʤɱ x E l* = ɨɪ, Z n , +{x E l E ɴɺʪEi E l-l |iɤri Vɰ * +{x ɽ E l E ɪiii E l-l BE=]ʤʱ] Vɰ * +{x E l, ɮEɮ Mɮ M<, ɱڨ xɽ E +{ Eix nx Ei, Ex +{x E E BE=]ʤʱ] iɪ Ex E ʱB {ʱǪɨ] E M E V ɨɪVx , ɽ ʤɱ x Vɰ * +V ɮEɮ E {Ivɮ, V E E ix j = ɮ ɮiҪ Vxi {] E x + ix E +M-+M i * +<. Bb . ʨxɺ] +M-+M i + ixiɮ E x E< x< i xɽ * < 象 ʴǺ E]ʮ E Ei l E V Vɽ ]ExV ni , V Vɽ Ex{] ni , ɽ {ɮ BE i {ɮ x xɽ Ei + =E l-l Sɱx {ci *

+V +vE i x Ei B EU |ɶx ɮEɮ Ex Sɽi * =E {ɽ ɽ xʶSi E n E EO E <E ʴɯr xɽ l E +]x xɽ x SʽB + EO x E <E ʨɺɪV xɽ E, <iɽɺ < i E Mɴɽ * Ex SE = Ei Miɮ EO E ɺx l, <ʱB EO {ɮ +I{ Mx Vɰ l E EO xV , E] +ɺ + nںɮ ] nJɱ+nV E *

ɤɺ {ɽ ɮEɮ ɽ {Ux Sɽi E +V xV E E ɰ{ ? E 10-12 ɱ =ɨ E< iɤnұ < xɽ + ɮEɮ =ɨ EU Ex Sɽi xɽ? E] +ɺ E E { ? Vɽ iE +]x E |ɶx , ɽ {ɮ iǨx ɮEɮ x ɽ xʶSi { i E = Eʮ x {ɽxx E Eʶɶ E * + 24 P] ɨSɮ E uɮ +{x xi E |VE] Ex E Eʶɶ, nںɮ i =x Mi E IjҪ nڮnx Exp Vɽ , ɽ +{x-+{x iiEɱx ɮEɮ uɮ Eʮ x {ɽS E <ʱB |ɺɮ ɮi Eɱ +n E VʮB ƺEiE Mʮ {ɮ E`ɮPi Ex E Eʶɶ E V * ɽ Sɽ ʤɽɮ Vɺlx E i * Vxɱ Exp, Vx x +ɶxi E +{x EɪEɱ ɨɪ n l E +{x ƺEi Vc , +V {i xɽ |ɺɮ ɮi E =x i E =ZE =xE ɨɪ E Ex Sɽi *

Mv V x 1922 ʮVx BE i E l E +x ɱ ɨɪ BE Jֱ iɴɮh E ɨɪ M + = ɨɪ E {ɮ E] xɽ J Ei* +{ M x i i E E |] b ɮx <E] xɽ M M i Eix M, ɽ Z ɱڨ xɽ* Ex |<] Sxɱ E Vɤ iE +{ ʤɱ E xɽ +BM, {Ux Sɽi E < ɨxv E E ʤɱ iE ɪii, Eʨ]] + BE=]ʤʱ] x ? ɮEɮ xʶSi E E ɽ ʤɱ E E + ? E = ʤɱ Eɱ nڮnx E i M? M x <ʱB n E l E Eɱ +{x nڮnx + +{x b iE ʨi xɽ x Sɽi, EE ɽ E Sxɱ + * V |<] Sxɱ {ɮ +V +{ P] ʴY{x +> E , =xE ɨxv ɮEɮ E E ƶ M? ɮEɮ < BE] E iɽi |ɺɮ ɮi E {ʱǪɨ] {ɮ E |Eɮ E BE=]ʤʱ] xM, + <E Jֱɺ ɮEɮ E Ex * Z B M E ɽ Eʶɶ E nڮnx E ɨ{i E n VB* =E ʱB +{x |<] M E P] EɪF + =E l-l Vxɱ EɪF E il EҶb EɪF P{ɱV +< + Mɮɴ] +< * ɮ l `E E l E |ɺɮ ɮi xx E n ɽ Vɮ i i |ɶx Sx Mi * ɮEɮ n ɽ ʤɱ Qi x Sɽi i E ʡ ɦ VxiE n i EM, ɦ b E M i EM, V E = Ei iiEɱx j V x ʤɱ x {ɮ E l?

BE i E VF + Ex SɽM* ɽi ɮ b E xɨ-Mɮɨ M E E <E n + +vI x nB Vi i b. d ɮ {] , Ex Mɱ ɽ E ]ɪ Vx E i + , Ex Vɤ j l iɤ iE nڮnx {ɮ ʡ xɪ Ei l* <ʱB =xE +vI xɪ Mɪ, = Ei ʡ xi l xɽ, Z ɱڨ xɽ, Ex ɮEɮ <E vx J E V M < |Eɮ =ɨ Vc , =xE <ɨ x ʱɪ VB* + +ɶxi E BE=]ʤʱ] , +]x * +V +ɶxi E ƺn + |ɺɮ ɮi E S iɮiɨ E 21 n E ɮi E nMnx E* ʶI, Sx + xVx, V |ɮ ɮ <E]xE + b E J vɮ , =ɺ nڮ xɽ V Ei* < +ɶ + ʴɶɺ E l Vɺ {x E b. d x |ɺii E, =E ɶ +{ Ex E Vɰi i Vɰ , Ex = ɨ{i xɽ E VB, ɽ ɮEɮ +{I Ei *

b. ֶұ E֨ɮ <xn (ʺɮ) : ɦ{i ɽn, |ɺɮ ɮi E EɪEh E Ƥv SS +{x Z x E ʱB ɨɪ n, <E ʱB +{E vxɴn ni * +Vn E n < nx |ɺɮ ɮi BE] xx E i +<, Ex 10-15 ɱ {ɽ ɽں E E BE B BE] xɪ VB, Vɺɨ nڮnx + b E +Vn n VB, ɪiii n VB* +Vn E n =E =q䶪 ɽ E |Sɮ E vɨ , Sɽ ɽ ɽ vɨ b +Eɶɴh, n E M iE, +ɨ Mƴ E M iE n E VxiE, +lE + ɨVE ʴɹɪ {ɮ V ɮEɮ Eɨ E , =E SS< E l Vxi iE {ɽSɪ VB* ɽ ɽں E Mɪ E ɮEɮ EU il E U{ i n E V ɽ ɱi V ɽ EEi , =E Vxi iE xɽ {ɽS * = Ei ɽ ɽں E Mɪ E BE BE] xɪ VB, VɺE +Vn n VB, ɪiii n VB + VɺE vɨ Vxi E V +vEɮ , ɽ +vEɮ M iE {ɽS* < =q䶪 E vx Ji B, 1990 |ɺɮ ɮi BE] xɪ Mɪ + < n |ɺɮ ɮi E V-V Vɨnʮ , =xE xɦx E ʱB ɽ E]r *

ɽn, nx E ɨx +V E {ʮʺli +Eɶɴh + b E V ɽii , ɽ ix Sɽi * +V +{ U]--U] Mƴ Sɱ V<B, Mƴ

TV

* < Vɽ b E ɽii Ji < + +V

TV

E |Sɱx Eɡ g Mɪ * +V MɮҤ MɮҤ +n E {ɺ

TV

+ ɽ EɪF nJi * n iEҤx 40 Sxɱ Eɨ E * <x ɮ Sxɱ E nJx E ɽ |ɪɺ Ei E = E VxiE SS< {i Sɱ E n E +l ɴɺl E * l ɨVE BEi E , ɽ ɽ nJx Sɽi * n E xMʮE ɽ nJx Sɽi E ɽ E +{x +{ ɹ]ŦEi + nɦEi E ɴx {n E il Jx Sɽi * Vɤ ɽi U] l, i Z n , Mƴ E M b +{x Mɱ n E, Ji Eɨ E Ei l + EɪF xi l* Vɤ Sxɴ + Ei l, i {S ʨx] ɮ-ɮ ɨSɮ xi l* Ex +ʽi-+ʽi <ɨ Mɮɴ] +< * +V

TV

E vɨ bE i x i , Ex ɨSɮ xx E <SU xɽ Ji * < |Eɮ nڮnx E EɪF Mɮɴ] +< * x Mɮ E xɨ n + Mɮ E xɨ EɪF { EB*

Vx |Oɨ E {ʮɮ xɽ nJ Ei il ɽ E Sxɱ +ɪ Vx {ɮ E< Mɨ xɽ M E*

xxҪ ɦ{i ɽn, +V +Eɶɴh + nڮnx E Mhɴii gx E ɽi Vɰi EE +V |Sɮ E ɤɺ c vɨ +Eɶɴh + nڮnx * +V ɱ ɽ E |]-b {ɮ =ix ɮ xɽ E V Ei Vix E +Eɶɴh + nڮnx {ɮ E V Ei * Z n E Mƴ +Mɮ E ɨSɮ E SS< M Vxx Sɽi l i ɤɺ {ɽ ҤҺ Mi l + M E ʴɶɺ l E ҤҺ E Jɤɮ SS Jɤɮ i * M E = {ɮ ʴɶɺ l, =E SS< {ɮ ʴɶɺ l* ɮEɮ E |ɺɮ ɮi BE] BE ɽʺE En VɺE uɮ b E ɪii n V * Ex <E l-l <E +lE {ɽ + Mhɴii {ɮ vx nx SʽB* ɮEɮ < {ɮ 16 Ec {ɪ |iɴɹ JS Ei VɤE x E i {ɮ <E ʮEɮ 395 Ec {ɪ * <ɺ {i Sɱi E |iɴɹ Eix c x i * Vxi E V { ]E E { +i ɽ < iɮ ɤn E n Vɪ, ɽ E< +SU i xɽ , <E ɨSi ={ɪM x SʽB*


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