17.47 V ( {.BS. {bx {`ɺx B)

i ɽ EM E ɽ BE ɽi +SU En , Ex <E l EU Zɴ , Vx +{E ɨx Jx Sɽi * +V <x nx vɨ Mhɴii E E + ɹ] E M E ɴx E Vxi iE `E fM xɽ {ɽS { * <E V Fbʤʱ] Vxi x SʽB ɽ xɽ * <E ɽii + Mhɴii E gx E ʱB ɮEɮ E BE bEʺ]M Mڱ] +lʮ] xx SʽB V <E E] E E* ɮEɮ +{x xɪjh J iE <ɨ Uni x +x {ɪ, ɨVE ɮEɮ <E * bEʺ]M +lʮ] E { ɽ Eɨ E* E c {ci E = g< Vɪ V {U E< ɨɪ-Ҩ xɽ J Mɪ V E Mɪ E <ɨ Vɰi xɽ E E< +n ɽ +ɪ* <ʱB <ɨ BE Mڱ] +lʮ] x SʽB* + +Mɮ <ƺ + ]ExV E VxEɮ x Sɽ i ɮ E nڮnx xɽ ʨɱi i M ɽ E Sxɱ JE nJi * <ʱB < iɮ E |Oɨ +x SʽB, VOʡE |Oɨ +x SʽB* Ex] ʮx E |Oɨ V ɨ Mɮ E xɨ {ɮ nJɪ V =xɨ vɮ x SʽB iE +ɨ Vxi iE BE V Vɪ + ɽ +{x <E]xE b {ɮ ʴɶɺ E E* =ɺ SS< Vx Ei , J Ei + n E BEi + +Jbi E ɮ +{x M E Vɤi +M gi B +{x i i Ei * <ʱB < + ɮEɮ E vx Vx SʽB* <x ɤn E l +{x i ɨ{i Ei * vxɴn*

b. Pִƶ |ɺn ʺƽ (ɱ) : ɦ{i ɽn, ɱ +=] ]bM {ʱǪɨ]ʮx Bb Vɪ{ɱ cb V E ʨɱ* =x E uɮ < ɽ E ֯+i <* Eij Sl Jɨ {jEʮi + b E x Mɪ * ɽ Vɤ iE ij + xɹ{I xɽ M iɤ iE Eij Vɤi xɽ M* ɮ Eɨ < Sɱi * <ʱB ɽں E Mɪ E ɮEɮ E +vx b + ]ʱʴVx E ij + xɹ{I xɪ VB* Mƴ ɽ vɮh E ɽ E b + ]ʱʴVx ɽ Jɤɮ xɽ ni VɤE ... ɽ Jɤɮ ni * +{iEɱ E ɨɪ n * = ɨɪ b +ɱ i xɽ +i l* Mƴ E M Ei l E ... M E Jɤɮ x VB* = {ɮ M E ʴɶɺ l* = S Sɱ + |ɺɮ ɮi ʴvE ɪ Mɪ*

d ɽ x ֯ E + iE E i i<* E Vi l E Mɱ ɽ Ji +n l, E E { xɽ Ei l + E E i xɽ xi l* =x ]x E ʱB Exx n n* B SS ɽ <*

Sx + |ɺɮh jɱɪ E V j ( +h V]) : {ɽ =x x E ʱB Exx n Mɪ*

b. Pִƶ |ɺn ʺƽ : ɽ +{E ] xɽ E l, <ʱB B +* < ɮEɮ E Sɱi < ʴɦM +h V] V iҺɮ j * {ɽ ֹɨ V Mcc Ex E Eɮh M<* ʡ |ɨn ɽVx V E ʴɦM n Mɪ* + +{ EU B E * V ]ʱʴVx nJ< ni * Vɤ |vx j ʴ{I l i Ei l E <xn V E V ]ʱʴVx nJɪ Vi + n nx EB Vi * ɪn +{E ɽ i n xɽ *

... (ɴvx)

+{ ɽh r E +ɺ EʮB* +{ = ڱ MB *

... (ɴvx)

ɱ Vxij E Vxni * Vɤ nxɪ E Eij xɽ l, = ɨɪ ɽ Eij l* ix Vɮ ɹ {ɽ ɽ ʱSU Mhij l* <E M |{i * x <ʽ ʱEx Eij xɽ J* 1898 E n nxҪ ɴɺl <* Vɤ ʤɽɮ + =cҺ BE l, = ɨɪ ʤɽɮ 1912 E=ʺɱ E M`x + l*

<xE Mɱi ʺJE =vɮ Jc E n* ix +nʨɪ x +]] ʱJ n* Vɤ Vɪ{ɱ V x E E M<ɱ E Ex l E n E E< i n ɮ +i E Vɪ i ɽ S Vi * + M<ɱ + Eɴɱ E M +i Ex ɱ i * M ʺɺ] + <x M E SS< {ɮ E< ʴɶɺ xɽ *

ɦ{i ɽn, Mɱ E ]x E ʱɪ Exx xɪ Mɪ* Mɱ E ] n Mɪ Ex =E VMɽ E< +SU +n ɽɱ xɽ E Mɪ, + iE E xɽ E Mɪ, +{E {ɺ E< Vɴɤ i nVɪ* ɽVx x {U Eɦ Vɴɤ n l + =xx E E EU xɽ Ei* M E ɽ VxEɮ E E< ʨ. iɴɮ ʨ. jɴh, V , VE `i l + xW xEɱi l Vɺ {g i + iɤ Ei l E `E * =E n xW |ɺʮi i l* ɮ ʤɽɮ ʦJɮ `E֮ ֪ * =xE BE Eʴi l:

Eڨi E l E ni n,

Jx E n +ɮ, nJɪ n +ɮ**

V {Sn {ɱ x E E ɽ |ɺɮ ɮi bɱ E * Ex E i +]xɨ n n Ex M +{x x iʤE xV |ɺɮh E Eɨ Ei * ɮ <x {ɮ ɽ +ɮ{ E <xE n {nb EE Ex E EU + Ex E EU * Ex E i +]xɨ VɺE iɱɤ E ij + xɹ{I Ex {ʱǪɨ] E E EU xɽ E Ei* <ɨ j E E< +vEɮ xɽ * B <xE Eɨ ʮɱ i * <ɨ Ec {ɪ E P]ɱ + * V Vڮ x E xɽ, Vڮ E ʱɪ Mɪ + V Vڮ x E l, =xE ʮVE] E n Mɪ* +Mɮ < ɤ E VS Vɪ i ɤ E ɤ vɮ VɪM + E< SM xɽ* <ʱɪ |ɺɮ ɮi E +]xɨ nx E xɨ {ɮ BE BE Vɴɤ nM* ʡ E BE BbҶxɱ F] ɽ J ֪ , ʡ +]xɨ E M? <ʱɪ |ɺɮ ɮi E ʴɶxҪi Jiɮ * M E <ɨ n * Vɤ |ɺɮ ɮi x l i = ɨɪ ... E iɮ ʮ{]b ij + xɹ{I J Vx E i E M< l E <ɺ M E SS< E VxEɮ ʨɱM Ex +V E ɨɪ < {ɮ E< ɮ xɽ * ɽ nJ E nEh Ex - * <ʱɪ Vɤ M E V x l, = ɨɪ ɽ {x l E |ɺɮ ɮi E =q䶪 +]xɨ x l VɺE ʴɶɺxҪi M, =ɨ ɮEɮ E iI{ xɽ M Ex +V ɮEɮ =ɨ iI{ E *

ɦ{i ɽn, n +V nڮnx + b nx {ɮ xV nJ x Vɪ i ɱڨ M E ɮEɮ E j M +{x |Sɮ Ei * ɽ `E i Ex |vxɨj E ɪn E n j +{x xɨɮ Mi * ] E ɨɪ i ].. + b x ] E iɮ Eɨ E * ɮ ʤɽɮ ] =x M E J Vi l V V E Vɪ Vɪ Ei l* = iɮ <x M x BEiɮ |Sɮ +{x {] E ʱɪ E* V{ E ɮEɮ x bj E + <ʱɪ M E ʴɶɺ <x {ɮ =` Mɪ * Vxi E ʴɶɺ =` Mɪ * Vɤ M E b {ɮ ʴɶɺ =` VɪM + ɮEɮ Vɤ EM E ]ɮ ].. nJɪ + E EM E W xV nJɪ EE <x M E =xɺ EV * M ɽi `E xɽ Ei * Ex E E i Vɤ nJ< n Vi * Ex ɽ ɽi JiɮxE i * < Eɮh M Ei E nx E = {ɮ E< E] xɽ , ɮEɮ E xɽ* n ɮEɮ +{x iɮ EM i M c ɮ +i M, +ɨ M E +i M* <ʱɪ SɽM E Vɺ iɮ ... E {]x , |ɺɮ ɮi E Vɪ Ex <x {ɮ ɮ xɽ * <x M +{I xɽ Ei *

18.00 hrs.

E EM* Exx nE <xx + iE xɽ E* ɽ Vɴɤ n n, n ɹ i Mɪ , j n , +ɮ M E =ɨ Eɮɮ lɨ * <ʱB <ix EM E Vɪ{ɱ d ɽ x V ɴɱ =`ɪ , ɽ =E Vɴɤ n* ʶɪɮ j , Eұ , =]-v Ex ʽ M, EM* Ex +ɨ M ɽ vɮh , <ʱB SɽM E +ɨ M E V vɮh E <E ɡ< , b ij + xɹ{I * Vɤ Eij E Sl Jɨ Vɤi M i Eij Vɤi M, B ɮ ʴɶɺ * <ix EE +{x Eiɴ ɨ{i Ei *

MR. CHAIRMAN : Next speaker is Dr. Beatrix D'Souza.

SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH (ULUBERIA): The time of the sitting has to be extended, Sir.

MR. CHAIRMAN : The time allotted for this discussion was two hours. It is already over. With the consent of the House, we extend the time. How much time is required to complete this discussion? The hon. Speaker has said that today we have to complete it.

|ɦxl ʺƽ (ɽɮVMV, ʤɽɮ) : ɦ{i ɽn, < E E ʱB Vɮ Jɪ*

MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Speaker has said that today itself we should complete the discussion on this subject. It was agreed also that this discussion would be completed today. It is for the House to decide how much time it wants. I think one hour is sufficient.

Eƴɮ +Jɱ ʺƽ (ɽɮVMV, =.|.) : ɦ{i ɽn, +V = BbVx E nVB + < E Vɮ E nVB*

|ɦxl ʺƽ : +V g U: V ʺS< ʴɦM E ɽi{h ]M , < E E ʱB E]x E nVB* M E ]M Vx *

MR. CHAIRMAN: Would the Minister be able to complete his reply by 6.30 p.m.?



MR. CHAIRMAN: There are only two more speakers. These names have been given by the hon. Speaker. If new names are to be included, it will become difficult.


SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV (SILCHAR): Who are the two speakers? From our side, Shri K.P. Singh Deo will have to speak.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Rashid Alvi and Shri K.P. Singh Deo are to speak. But this discussion will have to be completed today itself. In the Business Advisory Committee meeting also a decision was taken that this discussion would be completed today because tomorrow we have to pass three-four Bills.

|ɦxl ʺƽ : Vɤ ʤɽɮ, Mɱ + =iiɮ |n E M Sɱ VɪM i = E {ɮ SɱɪM* ɦ M E ]M Vx * +V g U: V ]M J M< *

MR. CHAIRMAN: Shall we finish it by 6.30 p.m.? I have called upon Dr. Beatrix D'Souzsa to speak. She is on her legs. From each party at least one Member has spoken, I think.

SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (HOOGLY): I have even mentioned in my speech that there is a second speaker from our Party and therefore I am taking less time.

There is another speaker Shri Suresh Kurup. He has to speak from our side. You cannot deny this opportunity to us..(Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN : You have already consumed much time. I do not think time is transferrable like that.

... (Interruptions)

DR. (SHRIMATI) BEATRIX D'SOUZA (NOMINATED): Sir, you have called my name...(Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: I think it is agreed that we extend the time up to 6.30 p.m.

Now Dr. (Shrimati) Beatrix D'Souza to speak.

DR. (SHRIMATI) BEATRIX D'SOUZA (NOMINATED): Mr. Chairman, Sir, at the outset, I would like to state that Shri Jaipal Reddy has made a powerful plea for autonomy. I believe that autonomy is desirable when there is a possibility of any Government misusing the Governmental machinery. But I would like to make one thing very clear. The Government did not muzzle the media during the Emergency. Also, autonomy leads to credibility.

I also agree with Shri Jaipal Reddy when he says that eminent people of various disciplines should be appointed to the Expert Committee and not media persons because of professionalism. We do need technical expertise alone. Media people also have their own political loyalties. But I am not going to talk on that subject.

The enormous potential of the Doordarshan and the All India Radio as vehicles of social change has not been sufficiently exploited...(Interruptions) Nearly, every home has a television. Transistors are very cheap. But I am talking particularly about women. Women have been entertained. But they have not been informed about things that benefit them personally. Even educated women are woefully ignorant of their legal rights. I believe that the All India Radio and the Doordarshan could become a channel for the spread of legal literacy among women. For example, a woman does not know that she cannot be arrested after 6 p.m.; that she cannot stay in the police station after that time. Women do not know where to report a rape and where to go for reporting sexual harassment. They also do not know where to go and report about harassment regarding divorce; how to get consumer protection and services available on the hot-line provided by the NGOs. These should also be publicised.

I was on the Science and Technology Committee last year. During the scare about adulterated mustard oil, we were shown a very simple device in which the purity of the mustard oil could be tested. But, unfortunately, the general public were not aware of this very simple method and mustard oil was sold. My suggestion to the hon. Minister is to have a one-liner flash news so that people are informed about various important matters. For example, pensioners need to know when pension is being revised. People need to know about when to get ration cards and when to have vaccination etc. Perhaps, the hon. Minister could enlist the services of film-stars and cricketers. I believe that he himself is a cricket fan.

Nowadays, on Doordarshan, sale of washing machines and refrigerators is promoted. After selling washing machines and refrigerators, they could also tell us something about issues of social importance. In fact, I would suggest to the hon. Minister that all advertisements accepted by Doordarshan and All-India Radio should compulsorily contain a one-liner giving us information. After all, all the consumer advertisements are aimed at women consumers. Let us get something which is socially relevant after they take our money. There is also a need for children's programmes. In Britain, they have a very educative programmed called the "Sesame Street" where children are educated while they have been entertained.

We should have some indigenous programme on those lines, so that Doordarshan enters into the classroom, especially the rural classroom. Then, we also need programmes for senior citizens. We need programmes to inform senior citizens about health care etc. and we need programmes for people who stay at home.

Sir, the hon. Minister became a T.V. personality during the elections and, I am sure, he knows the power of the visual media. I am very sure that he would take all my suggestions into consideration.

SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO (DHENKANAL): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would like to compliment the Minister for presiding over a Ministry which, in my three decades of experience in Parliament, I thought, I had the privilege to be in-charge of and which is one of the best Ministries, that is, the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting. The people working in Doordarshan and Akashvani as well as in the Field Publicity Units, the Song and Drama Division, the Indian Institute of Mass Communication, the Films Division and the Photo Division have been doing excellent work. Doordarshan and Akashvani have been the leaders in many fields where advanced countries like America and Japan were no comparison. The innovative skills of Doordarshan and All India Radio can be borne out by the fact that many of them who have had their grounding in Akashvani and Doordarshan are today occupying very high places in the competitors of Doordarshan, that is, Star T.V., Zee T.V. and many other satellite television channels.

Sir, I compliment Shri Jaipal Reddy because he has the courage of conviction and he has been consistent throughout, whether he has been on this side of the House or on that side of the House, belying the words of Sir Winston Churchill who had said:

"Consistency in politics is the asset of an ass."

But in spite of that, he has the courage of conviction and the Congress Party, in its Election Manifesto in 1991, had committed itself to the functioning of Doordarshan and All India Radio as autonomous bodies and in competition with other professional channels.

Sir, the reach of Akashvani and Doordarshan is unparalleled in the world and it is all due to the fact that the staff, the engineers and the people who have been manning these two organisations have brought them to that level. Today, 90 per cent of our country is covered by Doordarshan and 98 per cent of the country is reached by All India Radio. Today, All India Radio is even thinking of sky radio, satellite radio and they are still the pioneers in many fields. Today, Doordarshan is the pioneer even before America in digital compression video technique where Doordarshan had 17 channels and they had the capacity of 85 channels. At one time, as an experiment, we were beaming five different channels to Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab when militancy was at its peak. This could happen only because there was a lot of autonomy amongst the technical staff. They could compete and they could get the funds required. But if we, 750 Members of Parliament, feel that we are the repository of all wisdom and that we can also be ahead of technology and technological innovations, we will be committing a sad mistake.