<b>XIII LOK SABHA DEBATES, <i> Session II (Winter Session) </i> </b>
XIII LOK SABHA DEBATES, Session II (Winter Session) Friday, December 17, 1999/Agrahayana 26, 1921 (Saka )


Type of Debate: HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION (RULE-55)
Title: Discussion on the Financial Health of Indian Airlines and Air India and purchase of Aircraft. Raised by Shri Kirit Somaiya and points arising out of answers given by the Minister of Civil Aviation on 09.12.1999 to starred question Nos. 161 and 177 respectively.

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17.32 hours

MR. CHAIRMAN: The House will now take up the Half-an-hour discussion. Shri Kirit Somaiya.

E] (֨< =iiɮ-{ڴ) : ɦ{i ɽn, <bx Bɮ<x + Bɮ <b E EM E ɮ +v P] E SS {ɮ x V * BE {iɽ {ɽ < nx V SS < <x nx Bɮ<x E +lE {ʮʺli E ɮ , =ɨ ɽi E EU ʤxn =`B MB* =ɨ ɤɺ {ɽ ɽi E q ɽ E Vɤ iE bʺ]E +{x E< Bɮ {ʱɺ xɽ l, iɤ iE x{ l + = x{ E Eɮh <bx Bɮ<x 1993-94 iE |ʡ] l* Ex BE ɮ Vɤ +{x Bɮ E< {ʱɺ Pʹi M< + |<] Bɮ<x x ɮ ɽ |ɴ E i E{]Ҷx E Eɮh, lc <x<E]x E Eɮh, +ɮ]ɡ E Eɮh + {+ xVɨ] E Eɮh <bx Bɮ<x E P] gi Mɪ* 1993-94 258 Ec E 1995-96 109 Ec E P] +* xxҪ j ɽn ɽ |lx Ex SɽM E <bx Bɮ<x Bɮ <b E V + , =E Eɮh ɽ nx E iB*

Bɮ <b E {ʮʺli =ɺ +M xɽ * Bɮ <b E P] 1995-96 272 Ec E ɱ gi-gi 1998-99 174 Ec Mɪ* =E Eɮh ɽ E <bx Bɮ<x E x{ l , Ex ɽ E n Vx E ʱB ɽ E Bɮ<x ɽ ={ɱɤv l + ɮ Bɮ<x =xɺ E{]Ҷx xɽ E { l* E =ɨ vɮ Ex E ɺx |ɪix EM?

22 Vɮ M E ]ɡ * Z i ɽ xE iVV֤ + E ɪni E B n E n M<, =E n B<ƺ Bɮ ְ E M<* ɪni E BE Vɮ ESʮ E +Eb] Ex E ʱB B<ƺ Bɮ E xɨ n Mɪ* B<ƺ Bɮ x 740 ESɮ J* Ex 740 ʺɡ 40 ESɮ <bx Bɮ<ƺ, Bɮ <b ɪni E b{]x {ɮ J* i ESɮ ]] ɽ ʱɪ Mɪ * E <E ɮ SS M? <E E Eɮh * ɽM l ʨj VҴ V x = nx ɽi b] iɪ E i M Ex , EE ʮ]V , <x Ex +vɮ {ɮ E]E] n Mɪ , Ex +vɮ {ɮ < |Eɮ E xɪ-xɪ <{ɱɪɨ] xɪ-xɪ M E n Mɪ * BE + V ɪni E BE Vɮ ESɮ , B E B ` , =xE {ɺ Eɨ xɽ * =x ɮEɮ nɨn E iɮ { n , ixJɽ n + nںɮ + i E xɪ ]ɡ * < {ʮʺli E M, gM*

ɦ{i ɽn, BE + {ʮʺli E iɮ vx nx SɽM* Bɮ <b, <bx Bɮ<ƺ ] Eɮ{x Sɱi * x]ڮ ] Sɱi * Z ɨZ xɽ +i E ] Sɱx E Eɨ ɮEɮ E n EM* ɮEɮ E Eɨ ] Sɱx xɽ * E < ɮ xhǪ M xɽ* x E + +V b<ƴ]] {ʱɺ {ɮ SS E* E E] E <b]V E S + V ɮ Mɱ n {c + =ɺ U]Eɮ {x E ʽi xɽ E * xxҪ j V EM E +V xɽ i E x E < ʴɹɪ {ɮ Sx SʽB* ] Sɱx ɮ Eɨ xɽ * ] < |Eɮ +ɮ ]ɡ * =x <ix |< |{]V ɮEɮ ֡i + SV ʨɱi * =x b E EҨi xɽ nx {ci * VɤE |<] ] < ]ɮ E ɤE =x <ix b Ҫɱ B]] E |< nx E ɴVn

They are able to compete with Centaur or other hotels.

<E ɮ ʴSɮ Ex E +ii +ɴɶEi * xi E E E] ɮEɮ E <xɴ䱴ɨ] x SʽB* Ex +xE ɮ ɽ Vx n Vi E <bx Bɮ<ƺ E >{ɮ ɱ Eʨ]] * =x E< B ] Sɱx {ci V Oɨh M E <]xɱ {]Ǻ {ci * Ex Bɮ <b E >{ɮ E< nɴ xɽ

I can understand if it is the case of Indian Airlines, but what happened to Air India?

<E ʱB V Vx n Vi , < |Eɮ E V ɦ Eɮh , =ɨ EU n nJɪ xɽ ni * ɺiɴ <E ʱB EE E] +{<] E M< l* EE E] x ʮ{] n E n Vɮ Ec + xɪ bɱ* ɽ { E +ɪM, Ex ɪM, E +ɪM, xɪ BɮFɡ] E +ɪM* BE + ɮ ʺʴɱ Bʴɪɶx ʨxɺ] Ei E n Vɮ Ec xɪ ɪM, BE Vɮ Ec ɪM, x Exp ɮEɮ E E * nںɮ + Exp ɮEɮ E nںɮ +M <xx ʨxɺ] Ei ,

They say that they are not going to give even a single paisa.

E < ɮ E< Eʮ] +ɪM? V Ҩɮ E{x =x Ex { nM, Vɮ EV xɽ ʨɱM* +Mɮ ɽ +ɪM i =E ɮ E< ɤF< xɽ EM* BE + Ei E 364 Ec <E] E{] gx E ʱB ]ű MɴxǨ] x +x֨i n + nںɮ + ]ű MɴxǨ] E Sl nx Bx=ƺɨ] <xx ʨxɺ] +i

He says that he is not going to share even a single paisa.

BE + Ei E <bx Bɮ<ƺ E ʴɨx {֮x Mɪ * B<ƺ Bɮ E V 12-14 {x , E ʱɪ B , =xɨ Ex {x E ` Vi + Ex {x E Sɱi , {i xɽ Sɱi * nںɮ + Ei E E{] E* ɺiɴ BE B Zɴ nx Sɽi E <E ]] {xM x SʽB* +V Vɤ b<ƴ]] E Vɨx V , |<]<Vx E

Can the Government not think about a joint venture with some professionally efficient company?

E <E ɮ ɮEɮ E {ɺ + +ɪ * ʡ Sɽ ɽ ʥ] BɮV , ʥ]x E E{x E< +x E{x , ɮEɮ < ɮ Jֱ n ʴSɮ E, +{x ʤbM Mɪ + |xɱ xVɨ] ɪ* +V Bɮ Vɤ Eʨ{]Ҷx E Vɨx VɪM i ]] +{x Ex {cM*

ɦ{i ɽn, Vɤ ]] Jֱ +Eɶ E nM, = ɨɪ Bɮ <b E V +V {S {B ʨɱ M, i = ɨɪ 50 { xɽ ʨɱM*

You have to choose the appropriate time.

+Mɮ V<] Sɮ Eɨ Ex , Ex Ex , i + E* n n-ix ɱ E n EM, i M-

Why? It is a dead elephant.

= ɨɪ +V Vn M* n +V 1200 Ec {B E BEֱ֨]b E ɽx E E Bɮ <b xɪ {x x E i Ei , i EU ɱ E n i E< i xɽ EM*

ɦ{i ɽn, BE ʮ{< n Mɪ E E ]ű ʴVɱƺ EҶx x Bɮ <b E ɽ E l E

Only the lowest bidder should be allowed.

Bɮ <b x nںɮ ʤb E l iSi Sɱ E l xɽ, Vɴɤ ɽi Mɨ ʨɱ E ]ű ʴVɱƺ EҶx E +n x *

Have you started a dialogue with the other bidder? Why have you started a dialogue? Why did you not accept the lowest bidder.

Ei E B] ʤb nںɮ E{x E |{Vɱ Vn +]E] * <ʱB +{E vɨ |lx E Bɮ <b + <bx Bɮ <x E B<ƺ x SʽB* < ɮ Sx SʽB* Vɤ +{ +x n E iֱx Ei i Bɮ <b + <bx Bɮ<x SE Vi <ʱB iֱx {i E |<Ǵ] Bɮ <x ɽi xɡ Sɱ * V] BɮV V |<Ǵ] Eɡ xɡ E + V Bɮ <b + <bx Bɮ<ƺ VxE EM Eɡ Vɤi , VxE ɮi ɮEɮ {] E =xɨ ɺ *

ɮ, +xi <ix |lx EM E <bx Bɮ<x + Bɮ <b E +lE l vɮx E ʱB ɽ +ɴɶE E <xE ʨɱɪ VB EE n E +l ɴɺl {ɮ ɽi Z * <ʱB <xE n vɮx E ʱB ɺx {xʴSɮ E, ɽ |lx *

|. ɺ ʺƽ ɴi (+Vɨ) : xɴɮ ɦ{i ɽn, +{E vɨ xxҪ j ɽn ɽ +x֮v Ex SɽM E <bx Bɮ <x + Bɮ <b, i nx ɮ n E ɽi |iɹ`{h E{xɪ + + <xE x ʱʨ]b x n iE vx M Vc E, Ex Sɽ ɮ ʴɨx {iix E ʴvB , =cx E ɨɱ , Sɽ {֮x ʴɨx E ɨɱ , =xE ]xƺ + nJɮJ E ɨɱ +ɴɶEi +vE ESʮ E i E ɨɱ x +ɮ ]ɡ E ɨɱ , +lɴ {+ xVɨ] ɱ i , <x ɮ i E +n +V Vɤ ʴEʺi n iֱx Ei , i {i E ʴEʺi n E ʴɨx + ɽ {ɮ ={ɱɤv +vɮi ʴv+ E iֱx +V ɽi {U * +i: j ɽn ɽ Vxx SɽM E +xE |ɪɺ Ex E ɴVn {U ɹ <xE ɮ ʴv vɮx E ɴVn +M E xɽ g {B + <E {U ڱ Eɮh E ? E <xE VS Ex SɽM + < Vc + ɴɱ +ɮ ]ʡM E * ɽ V EɨɶǪɱ {ɪɱ] , <ƺ b + V <bx Bɮ <x E xiʮ UcE V , =x Bɮ <b xE |nx E n M<, ɽ V Eb B] E M< , <E ʱB Ex Vɨnɮ + E =xE Jɱɡ EɮǴ< Ex SɽM? <x ɤn E l ɽ Ex Sɽi E xxɱ bF]E B<ƺ E ɮEɮ +< + +V Vɤ 趴Eh, ڨbEh + Jֱ Vɮ E SSB , i |<] V =cx E{xɪ , =xE Eɤɱ ɮ ɽ ɹ]Ҫ ɽi + |iɹ` E {nb {ڮ Ex ɱ <bx Bɮ <x P] E +n xɽ + ɦ E ʱB Eɨ E, <E ʱB Ex En =`x SɽM? vxɴn*

VҴ |i{ b (U{ɮ) ɦ{i ɽn, {U |ɶxiiɮ Eɱ E nx < ʴɹɪ E +v P] E SS ɪ Mɪ EE ɽi ɮ q B =` MB Vx {ɮ j V E Vɴɤ Ui l*

= nx B< Bɮ {ɮ SS < l + xxҪ j V x VS `E ɦ ʤxn+ {ɮ |Eɶ x E +ɶɺx n l* ɮ ʨj E] V x < ʴɹɪ VxEɮ x Sɽ l*

< n +vE EU xɽ Ex xɽ SɽM Ex <bx Bɮ<ƺ + Bɮ <b E Miʴvɪ {ɮ SS Ex SɽM* l-l EU ɴɱ +{E vɨ xxҪ j V E ɨx Jx SɽM* < n Vɤ M x {ʤE E] +Mx<Vx E ֯+i E l, i ɮ =q䶪 l E ɮi ɮEɮ B c-c E{xɪ {Vxɴ E + E{xɪ +ɪ +Vi EE n E = JVx Vɨ E + < ʤVx E EɮMɮ xɪ*

Bɮ <b E l{x E n, {U 47 ɹ 37 ɹ Bɮ <b |ʡ] Ei Ex {U {S ɹ x Vx Ex , E |Eɮ E xhǪ ʱɪ Mɪ, ɽ Ei E {U 10, 12, 14 ɹ E ɺx V xhǪ ʱɪ Mɪ, Vɺɺ E =E E{ɺ b l, V =E E< l, V Bɮ <b |ʡ] E ʴɹɪ l, ɽ +ʽi-+ʽi Ji i Mɪ* =nɽhɺɰ{ Vɤ Eʤɪx V] E V E ɴɱ +ɪ, i Vɤ < n |ʡ]ɱ ] l, = ɨɪ V VM EE ɽi ɮ Eʤɪx V] E < n ɪ Mɪ + =ɨ E< BMV] EV xɽ l E +Mɮ < E]E] E ]ʨx] EM i =E {ʮhɨ E M? Vɤ ɮEɮ n i = E]E] E ]ʨx] E n Mɪ + Bɮ <b V P] E ʴɹɪ {ɽ l, = {ɮ 100 Ec {ɪ E V֨x M n Mɪ*

B E< P]xB , V <bx Bɮ<ƺ + Bɮ <b E <iɽɺ P]i EE ɽ BE B ɽ Vɺɨ ɨxi& ɨVE Eiɪ E iI{ xɽ i* nx ʴɦM B Vɺɨ |ɶɺx M + EU ɽi{h M E ʨE i * xxҪ j V +ɪ * <xE Bɮ <b ʴɮɺi ʨɱ V P] * <xE ʴɮɺi ʨɱ <bx Bɮ<x, V E ʴɴn Pɮ * xʶSi { Vix Ʀɴxɪ , =xE S Eɪ Ex E |ɪɺ EM*

ɦ{i V, Bɮ <b x +{x ]ɡ E +ɪ Ҩ 60 P]E 58 ɱ E n* ɽ +SU xhǪ l* <E {ɶSi <bx Bɮ<x ɽ |ɺiɴ Sɱ l* ɨZi E <bx Bɮ<x + Bɮ <b E fS, BE iɮ ɽɱ E Mɪ, ɽ `E Ex ɹ =ɨ |ɨx n-nE >{ɮ E fS ɮ Mɪ * V xS E fS , Vɽ {ɮ x]-], Eֺ Mx, ɡ< Ex E V =E x]xƺ E BMVE] Eb , V EɪEii h E , =xE E i V * <ɨ Vɤ iE ɨxɪ l{i xɽ E VɪM iɤ iE E Bɮ<xx E `E fM Sɱx Ʀɴ xɽ M* <ɨ ʴɶ i ɽ Jx SɽM E <bx Bɮ<x E iɮ V >{ɮ E ]ESɮ , =ɨ E x E |xM E c +ɴɶEi * Z {i Sɱ E <ɨ 37 bɪɮE] E< bɪɮE] bE ʴǺ , =E xS j 40 bE] + ɱ ɮ J {ɪ =xE ix {ɮ JS E Vi * ʡ {i Sɱ E bɪɮE], {ʤE OҴƺ + < |Eɮ E iɨɨ bɪɮE] - E x E {ڮ ɴɺl E x E E Ei E +褱<V Ex E ʱB =x {n E FB] E Mɪ*

ɽn, Vɤ |<] Bɮ<x < n +ɪ, i M x Ex ְ E n E E{]x g * E{]x g i nںɮ Bɮ<x {ɪɱ] E ix g* < Vɽ M* < iɮ E Vɤ P]x P] i <x M x |bE]ʴ] ʱEb <x] FB] E* Vix ixJɴɽ +V ʨɱi , =E nMx ʽ {.B.+<. E <bx Bɮ<ƺ + Bɮ <b Vi * E< +{ii xɽ E +{ +SU Eɨ EE +vE ixJɴɽ * Ex BE iɮ Vɤ +{E {ڮ ɴɺl P] E Sɱ , i +{ B Vx+ E nE, = { {E] E gE E +{ < n E +lǴɴɺl E l xɪ E ? E ɽ =Si M E Vɺ ɽ +V {ڮ {ʮ , +Mɮ +{ +SU vx Ei , +{x E{Ǻ +SU vx E ni , <bx Bɮ<x + Bɮ <b E |ʡ] Vi i xʶSi { ɮ V M E E< E`x< xɽ E +{E +vE ix n Vɪ*

ɽn, BE-n =nɽh <ʱB nx SɽM EE <ɨ ɽi ɮ q * Bɮ <b E x] l BE ɨɪ 1375 Ec {ɪ l V +V <b i i 300 Ec {ɪ Mɪ* +Jɮ < {ڮ ɴɺl E E BE=]ʤʱ] i M* n-ix ʴɹɪ +{E ɨx Jx SɽM EE xxҪ j V < {ڮ ʴɦM E {ʮʺliɪ +ʽi-+ʽi +Mi * vɮh <bx Bɮ<ƺ E Ex +{E i n* +V BE ɽx {ɽ BE P]x P] l* BE {ɪɱ] x BE VɽV E nɤn x P] iE Jc J*

+Mɮ BE xi E VɽV E Ei + =ɨ {S ʨx] ʴɱƤ , i VɽV ` B ɮ {Vɺ Ei E xi E ʱB VɽV E ʱɪ Ex <bx Bɮ<x E {ɱ] x nɤn BE VɽV E x P] E J + Ƥ< F VE = VɽV E ʮW Ei - E < +Wn ɮi < |Eɮ E P]x+ E B= E Ei ? E <ix c V < iɮ E |ɶɺxE +{ɴɪ i , = nǶi E V Ei ? n E iɨɨ M Sɽi E Vix B ƺlB , =xE ʺli +SU + Wɤi *


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