<b>XII LOK SABHA DEBATES, <i> Session II, (Monsoon) </i> </b>
XII LOK SABHA DEBATES, Session II, (Monsoon) Monday , July 27, 1998 / Shravana 5, 1920 (Saka)


Type of Debate: SPECIAL MENTION
Title: Raised reported deportation of Bengali-speaking muslim workers from Mumbai.

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MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except the speech of the Leader of the Opposition.

(Interruptions)*

SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR (MUMBAI NORTH-WEST): I have also given notice. I should also get the opportunity to speak... (Interruptions).

MR. SPEAKER: I have allowed Shri Sharad Pawar.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI TAPAN SIKDAR (DUMDUM): Sir, he is misleading the House... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except the speech of Shri Sharad Pawar.

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MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Members, please take your seats. Let him complete.

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SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR : Sir, I also want to speak... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: I will allow you. Let him complete.

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(Interruptions) *

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Sirpotdar, please take your seat. I will allow you.

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MR. SPEAKER : Why are you worried ? The Minister is there to reply, please take your seat.

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SHRI A.C. JOS : Sir, if the Leader of the Opposition is not permitted to speak, then we will not allow the Prime Minister to speak. This is too much..

(Interruptions)

MR.SPEAKER : Please take your seat.

...(interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Chaman Lal Gupta, please allow him to speak. Please take your seat.

...(interruptions)

SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR : The Leader of the Opposition should not speak like this..(interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : Let him complete.

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MR. SPEAKER : Let him say what he wants to say. What is this? I have allowed him to speak. Please take your seat.

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MR. SPEAKER : Nothing will go on record except Shri Sharad Pawar's speech.

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SHRI PRAKASH VISHWANATH PARANJPE (THANE): Sir, he is making a wrong allegation.

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Member, please take your seat. I have allowed him to speak. Please take your seat.

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KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE (CALCUTTA SOUTH): Sir, please allow us also because the issue is related to my State.

MR. SPEAKER: Madam, I will allow you.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (BOLPUR): Sir, I appeal to all sections of the House ... (Interruptions)

SHRI CHETAN CHAUHAN (AMROHA): Is this a regular debate?

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Chauhan, please take your seat.

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SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Sir, I humbly appeal to all sections of the House that in view of the nature of the issue and in view of the human rights question that is involved, let them at least have the satisfaction that we are able to articulate what the people are feeling outside the House. If we are not allowed to speak here, people will go to the streets and decide the matter. Therefore, I am appealing again and again to my friends ... (Interruptions)

SHRI TAPAN SIKDAR : They are all illegal immigrants.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Mr. Speaker, Sir, this matter was raised in this House by my Party colleague, Comrade Hannan Mollah, twice before, that is, on 17th and 23rd of July. ... (Interruptions)

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DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY : Sir, this is highly objectionable. ... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: This is not good.

DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY : He is speaking as if India belongs to them. You cannot allow this. ... (Interruptions)

DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY (MADURAI): The hon. Member is speaking as if the whole nation belongs to them. ... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: What is this? Please take your seats.

12.15 hrs

(At this stage, Shri Anil Basu and some other hon. Members came

and stood on the floor near the Table.)

... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Please go back to your seats.

... (Interruptions)

12.18 hrs

(At this stage, Shri Anil Basu and some other hon. Members

went back to their seats.)

... (Interruptions)

DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY : What is your ruling?

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DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY :

Are you indulgent to us or not?

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DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY :

I want to know whether the hon. Member will apologise or not.

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MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Members, please take your seats.

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MR. SPEAKER: I am asking the hon. Member to withdraw those words.

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MR. SPEAKER: I am asking the hon. Member Shri Prakash Viswanath Paranjpe to withdraw those words.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRAKASH VISHWANATH PARANJPE (THANE): I will take just one minute. What I said was this...(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Please withdraw those words. I do not want any explanation from you.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRAKASH VISHWANATH PARANJPE : Sir, I have not spoken any illegal word or any unparliamentary word. So, I will not withdraw it...(Interruptions)

I have not used any illegal word or unparliamentary word...(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: I think, he has withdrawn those words.

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MR. SPEAKER: Shri Somnath Chatterjee, he has withdrawn those words.

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SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN (HAJIPUR): Sir, he has said that he would not withdraw those words...(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: I think, he has withdrawn those words. Now, Shri Somnath Chatterjee to continue.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRAKASH VISHWANATH PARANJPE : I have said nothing which is unparliamentary. So, I have not withdrawn it...(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: I think, he has withdrawn those words.

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN : He has not withdrawn those words. ..(Interruptions)

SHRI PRAKASH VISHWANATH PARANJPE : I have not said anything which is unparliamentary. So, the question of withdrawing those words does not arise...(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Prakash Vishwanath Paranjpe, have you withdrawn those words or not? Please tell me.

... (Interruptions)

SHRI PRAKASH VISHWANATH PARANJPE : I have not used any unparliamentary word...(Interruptions) I have not uttered a single unparliamentary word at all. Why should I withdraw those words?...(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Please withdraw those words.

... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. Now, Shri Somnath Chatterjee to continue.

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SHRI RAJESH PILOT (DAUSA): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think you have not properly listened to what he said. Let me repeat it...(Interruptions) I will take one second...(Interruptions)

SHRI N.K. PREMCHANDRAN (QUILON): Sir, he has not withdrawn his statement...(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: I allowed Shri Somnath Chatterjee to speak.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Sir, I am proud to be an Indian and I consider every inch of the territory of this country as my home. Nobody can say that any part of the territory of this great country belongs to him exclusively and that he shall decide where I reside or not reside...(Interruptions) A person in this country cannot be treated as a foreigner or otherwise only on the basis of the language he speaks. We have a neighbouring country...(Interruptions) Our neighbouring country is Bangladesh. They speak Bengali...(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Let him complete. What is this? Please take your seat.

... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: I allowed him to speak. Let him complete. Please take your seat. You can make a submission later on. I have not allowed you to speak.

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SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Will this country be divided on the basis of caste, religion and language?...(Interruptions)

THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT AND MINISTER OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (DR. MURLI MANOHAR JOSHI): Your party supports the division of this country on the basis of religion...(Interruptions)

SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (HOOGLY): You have no knowledge of history...(Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Sir, what is happening in this House that we cannot speak even on important matters? Are we at the mercy of these gentlemen here?...(Interruptions) Some large number of people have been forcibly taken away from Mumbai, Maharashtra on the plea that they are foreigners...(Interruptions) May I have your kind attention? These people were being taken in a railway compartment and kept in chains. Can you imagine what is happening? They were brought here from Maharashtra in chains surrounded by the police people. I do not know under what law of this country the Maharashtra Police, the armed police can go to another State without even informing that State Government, without trying to take help of the police there on the basis of their own decision...(Interruptions) This is too important a matter and we are not allowed to speak. I do not know how the House can run. If there is not a little amount of patience with my hon. friends here on that side, this House cannot run ever. As I said the other day, the country is suffering tremendously because of a Government like this...(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Let him speak.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Mr. Speaker, Sir, what our information is that some large number of people speaking Bangali language, working there and earning their livelihood, those poor people were huddled together and taken to a court one day and seven days later, the police came, arrested them, put them in a railway compartment and put them in chains. We are in 1998. I would like to know whether this is a civilised country or not.

DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY : They are sending them to concentration camps.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Is this a civilised country?

...(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Parliamentary Affairs Minister is here. Why are you getting up?

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SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : They are proposing to hand them over to the BSF people at the border. The BSF people will hand them over to the other side. Those people who are Indians, have no right to stay in Bangladesh without the permission of that Government. Therefore, their fate is to remain in Bangladesh jails. I would like to know from the Government as to what crime have they committed. What is the procedure that was adopted?

Our hon. Member Shri Hannan Mollah met the hon. Home Minister on the 22nd July. He wrote to him on the 17th. I am told that Shri Advani expressed, "how can it happen like this?" But what steps has he taken? Therefore, I would like to strongly protest against what is being done. This is an inhuman behaviour on the part of a State Government which thinks, because of the present unfortunate dispensation in Delhi, that they are the rulers of the entire country. We will not permit that impression to go round. All these people cannot be treated in this manner. There are civilised procedures that will have to be adopted. No notice was given and no proceedings were taken against them. Even if there is some law under which they were taken, in that case also, some opportunity has to be given to them. Anybody can find out that they belong to the districts which are in West Bengal, like Howrah, 24 Parganas or Midnapore. Nobody can say that these people were originally Bangladeshis.

Sir, I would like to know, how even the Indian Railways were being utilised for this purpose. How was the Maharashtra Police being utilised for this purpose? How can you keep and transport people in this country in chains? I would like to know all this.

We have asserted ... (Interruptions)... Out of 40 people who were taken away, 27 are Indians. Their names are on the electoral rolls of this country. They have got enough material to prove about their citizenship and their nationality. Sir, is this the way this will happen?

So, we would like to strongly protest against this condemnable behaviour. I am not asking for the dismissal of the Government of Maharashtra. The people of Maharashtra will throw them out, I have doubt about it... (Interruptions)... I would like to know, what is the role of the Government of India? The Foreigners Act is there and if any other law on the subject is there, I would like to know whether the Central Government has any role to play so far as the foreigners in this country are concerned or not. The Government owes an explanation. I should have expected, when the matter was raised twice before in this House, that the Home Minister would come and make a Statement suo motu in the House after what has happened. But the House is not taken into confidence. The country is not being taken into confidence. The people who are treated as cattle in chains are not being thought of. This is not the way the Government can be concerned. We strongly protest against this.

Sir, I can tell you that the ordinary people of this country will `stand by those unfortunate people who are being treated as cattle will be protected by them.

Therefore, we demand that this Government should take certain firm steps.

MR. SPEAKER: Now, Kumari Mamata Banerjee.

... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: I have allowed Kumari Mamata Banerjee to speak. Please take your seats.

KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is not only now that we have raised this issue but we have raised it earlier also, some three-four years back. I agree to what Shri Sharad Pawar, the hon. Leader of the Opposition has said. On this very floor of the House, I raised this issue so many times that in Maharashtra, in the name of Bengladeshis and in the name of deportation, some Indian citizens are being harassed. They may be Bengalis. But what message are we conveying to the people from this House? Because they are Muslims, that is why they are being harassed. That is wrong.

Sir, I appeal to your goodself that our country should not be divided on the basis of religion. It is our Constitutional Right that every citizen should be protected as a human being, as a citizen of this country.

But if the trend is like this, may I request the Home Minister through the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs that he should make a statement on this today itself? They should ask the Government of Maharashtra as to how many people are being deported from Maharashtra to Bangladesh. They were taken off the train en route Howrah... (Interruptions)...We know the place also... (Interruptions)... Please let me finish. Who is really an Indian citizen? Even if somebody is a Bangladeshi, he should not be treated like cats and dogs, as we have traditional ties, ethnic and common culture with Bangladesh.

Yes, there are some people there who speak Bangla. They may come from different parts of that country in search of jobs, because of their economic problems. They are poor people. They may come. But in India, everybody is in minority. Who is not in minority? I am from Bengal. I am in majority in Bengal but I am in minority in the rest of the country. Similarly, Maharashtra people are in majority in Maharashtra but they are in minority in other parts of the country. Biharis are in majority in Bihar but they are in minority in Kerala. So, everybody is in majority in this country and everybody belongs to minority sections of this country.

So, a message should go to the people that nobody is harassed like this and the people are not tortured like this. We have to consider these cases on humanitarian grounds. I condemn this incident and I request that this matter be taken care of without any delay.

The Home Minister should make a statement as early as possible and take the findings from the Maharashtra Government also to actually know what is going on there. If atrocities are going on, they should be stopped immediately.


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